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Jul 23, '07, 8:36 pm
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Pope's Got a Point
I wasn't sure where to put this, but here's a great article by a Jewish Rabbi:
http://www.jewishpress.com/page.do/22275/The_Pope
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Jul 23, '07, 8:45 pm
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Re: Pope's Got a Point
Eureka!
Not too many people out there with this kind of common sense anymore.
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Jul 23, '07, 8:51 pm
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Re: Pope's Got a Point
This was my favorite part:
"I ask you, does this make sense? Where do we Jews get off making demands of Catholics that they only say prayers that meet with our approval?
Next week is Tisha B’Av. Have we forgotten that we are living in exile? The audacity of Jews dictating to Christians how they should pray is simply mind-boggling."
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Jul 23, '07, 8:52 pm
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Re: Pope's Got a Point
Quote:
Originally Posted by freudmacher
This was my favorite part:
"I ask you, does this make sense? Where do we Jews get off making demands of Catholics that they only say prayers that meet with our approval?
Next week is Tisha B’Av. Have we forgotten that we are living in exile? The audacity of Jews dictating to Christians how they should pray is simply mind-boggling." 
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I bet he's going to get the cold shoulder for awhile.
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Jul 23, '07, 8:54 pm
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Re: Pope's Got a Point
http://www.jewishpress.com/page.do/22275/The_Pope
I ask you, does this make sense? Where do we Jews get off making demands of Catholics that they only say prayers that meet with our approval?
Next week is Tisha B’Av. Have we forgotten that we are living in exile? The audacity of Jews dictating to Christians how they should pray is simply mind-boggling.
First off, the request implies that we can influence Catholic theology. Face it: Christians believe they are right and we are wrong. They think we should convert, and that attitude will not change until Moshiach comes.
And speaking of Moshiach, if we are going to sit down with the Vatican to negotiate liturgy, should we, l’havdil, offer to take out the second paragraph of Aleinu, in which we pray for the day when gentiles will stop worshipping idols? How about “sheheim mishtachavim” – the line that Christian censors removed from Aleinu, claiming it insulted Christians? Many of us have put it back. Should we allow the Vatican to dictate what we say in our prayers? Or should we, perhaps, do a line-by-line analysis of the Talmud to make sure there is nothing there that people may find offensive?
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Jul 23, '07, 8:58 pm
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Re: Pope's Got a Point
He declined the invitation, most likely- because in certain circumstances, abortion is an option for some Jews. That would put him in a very unpleasant situation in a debate with anyone who knows this.
I think Valke2 made this clear.
In any event- I liked much of his comments, and they were very honest and sincere. I did not agree with everything he said simply because he is far more intelligent than the average Protestant on this or any other matter.
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Jul 24, '07, 2:39 pm
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Re: Pope's Got a Point
I think he shows a clear perspective... I mean really! Do you guys remember a couple of years ago after JPII died how the press thought they could influence the conclave? Like their opinion mattered? He(B16) wouldn't presume to tell a rabbi what should be in or out of a Temple service either. I love B16 for just this reason... he actually has the guts to say the things that haven't been said in a while... like, "Why yes we think you are wrong, we still love you but we think you are in error!"
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Jul 25, '07, 12:49 pm
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Re: Pope's Got a Point
Baruch Hashem, Alleluia!!!
Neatly pointed out points by the Rabbi
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Instaurare omnia in Christo
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Jul 25, '07, 1:06 pm
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Re: Pope's Got a Point
Ah, finally a voice of reason from the Jewish side. I don't understand all this "were offended" stuff. Political correctness is a terrible disease. After the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a statement declaring protestant Churches not true churches, I don't know why everyone got so offended. As a Baptist, I would hope the Pope has the ba**s (pardon the expression) and the moral courage to defend his faith and state what he believes for better or worse. What the ADL is trying to do would be equivalent to Martin Luther telling the Pope what he can and can't do. This is absolutely absurd. I hope the Pope doesn't budge on this issue, for the good of his own faithful.
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Jul 25, '07, 1:14 pm
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Re: Pope's Got a Point
Outstanding! I really enjoyed reading that!
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Jul 25, '07, 2:37 pm
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Re: Pope's Got a Point
Very good article. What's really funny about it is that its just common sense.
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