"Choice" Is....

PLAL · #1 Jul 24, '07, 12:23 pm

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**vern humphrey** · #2 Jul 25, '07, 10:48 am

"Choice" Is.... a figleaf to cover up the grisly, premeditated murder of the most helpless and innocent amongst us.

SuscipeMeDomine · #3 Jul 25, '07, 11:23 am

Pictures like that are so disgusting that I don't want to be associated with those who call themselves pro-life.

It's quite an accomplishment to alienate those who are on your side.

Amolibri · #4 Jul 25, '07, 11:40 am

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Originally Posted by SuscipeMeDomine

Pictures like that are so disgusting that I don't want to be associated with those who call themselves pro-life.

It's quite an accomplishment to alienate those who are on your side.

I agree with you, SMD. I had an encounter with some pickets, of a verbally unpleasant nature, when I stopped to talk about ADOPTION. They would not let me speak...and just considered me their enemy.

One woman decided to speak to me privately as we walked down the street...

Verisimilitude · #5 Jul 25, '07, 12:00 pm

...what got Adam and Eve kicked out of the Garden. It isn't the act of choosing, but the action the choice results in.

**vern humphrey** · #6 Jul 25, '07, 12:01 pm

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Originally Posted by SuscipeMeDomine

Pictures like that are so disgusting that I don't want to be associated with those who call themselves pro-life.

It's quite an accomplishment to alienate those who are on your side.

So instead of feeloing anger and disgust at those who killed those babies, you direct your anger at those who brought the grisly crimes to your attention?

PKoucheravy · #7 Jul 25, '07, 12:04 pm

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Originally Posted by vern humphrey

So instead of feeloing anger and disgust at those who killed those babies, you direct your anger at those who brought the grisly crimes to your attention?

On the one hand, people need to see what the results of abortion really are and be shocked past their apathy.

On the other hand, I wouldn't want my little kids seeing that.

Time and place, time and place...

**vern humphrey** · #8 Jul 25, '07, 12:10 pm

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Originally Posted by PKoucheravy

On the one hand, people need to see what the results of abortion really are and be shocked past their apathy.

On the other hand, I wouldn't want my little kids seeing that.

Time and place, time and place...

As I have pointed out, when I was about 3 1/2, I saw grisly detailed footage of the Concentration Camps in the Movietone News that accompanied every movie. It did me a world of good -- it was like being vaccinated against dictatorships.

If your kids see it, treat it as if they had seen a dog doing something you don't think they should see -- explain it to them.

PKoucheravy · #9 Jul 25, '07, 12:23 pm

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Originally Posted by vern humphrey

As I have pointed out, when I was about 3 1/2, I saw grisly detailed footage of the Concentration Camps in the Movietone News that accompanied every movie. It did me a world of good -- it was like being vaccinated against dictatorships.

If your kids see it, treat it as if they had seen a dog doing something you don't think they should see -- explain it to them.

I do not have children yet, but I would imagine that talking to your kids about every disturbing thing they see is easier said than done. Some people handle things better than others.

We talk to soldiers about how to handle the disturbing things we see on the battlefield, but some soldiers come to love violence and some soldiers go AWOL.

Forcing a disturbing image on someone just seems a bit off to me.

**vern humphrey** · #10 Jul 25, '07, 12:41 pm

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I do not have children yet, but I would imagine that talking to your kids about every disturbing thing they see is easier said than done. Some people handle things better than others.

No one ever said being a parent was easy. But parents who deal with problems by sweeping them under the rug find it tends to come back to haunt them.

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We talk to soldiers about how to handle the disturbing things we see on the battlefield, but some soldiers come to love violence and some soldiers go AWOL.

That's not my experience -- and I've commanded four companies, two of them in combat.

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Forcing a disturbing image on someone just seems a bit off to me.

Who's "forcing" anything on anyone?

SuscipeMeDomine · #11 Jul 25, '07, 1:27 pm

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Originally Posted by vern humphrey

So instead of feeloing anger and disgust at those who killed those babies, you direct your anger at those who brought the grisly crimes to your attention?

There's plenty of violence and ugliness in the world without going out of your way to add to it.

Some of the new ultrasound pictures I've seen are absolutely amazing. Seeing a beautiful baby in utero with an appropriate slogan might soften hearts. Ultimately that's the only thing that's going to change the world.

East and West · #12 Jul 25, '07, 1:28 pm

I am sorry but anyone who is even slightly liberal on the abortion issue I find to be repulsive.
First, there are those who are pro-choice. Give me a break. Sick. You think a form of murder should be legal.

Second, there are those who are "personally opposed to abortion" but would never tell anyone else that they couldn't have one. TRANSLATION: "I am personally opposed to murder and gendoncide/infanticide but I would never tell someone else not to participate." Sick! You know its murder but you think it should be legal.

Third, there are those who think that we should not show images of what abortion really is. Again, give me a break. The only real reason people are offended by those images is that they know that illustrates what abortion really is and forces people to confront their guilty consciences on the matter. These people are more concerned about how good everyone FEELS than they are about the fact that babies are being murdered every day! SICK SICK SICK!

**vern humphrey** · #13 Jul 25, '07, 1:34 pm

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Originally Posted by SuscipeMeDomine

There's plenty of violence and ugliness in the world without going out of your way to add to it.

It is the people who committed these grisly crimes, killing these innocent children who "added to the violence and ugliness in the world" -- not the people who exposed their crimes for the rest of us to see.

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Some of the new ultrasound pictures I've seen are absolutely amazing. Seeing a beautiful baby in utero with an appropriate slogan might soften hearts. Ultimately that's the only thing that's going to change the world.

That's why I'm working for 4D ulrasound to be defined as part of Informed Consent -- a woman who was not shown a 4D ulrasound before undergoing an anbortion would have the right to sue later.

cazayoux · #14 Jul 25, '07, 2:31 pm

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Originally Posted by vern humphrey

It is the people who committed these grisly crimes, killing these innocent children who "added to the violence and ugliness in the world" -- not the people who exposed their crimes for the rest of us to see.

That's why I'm working for 4D ulrasound to be defined as part of Informed Consent -- a woman who was not shown a 4D ulrasound before undergoing an anbortion would have the right to sue later.

I think this it is a FANTASTIC idea to make the mother see their baby before making that horrible decision.

michel

cazayoux · #15 Jul 25, '07, 2:40 pm

I am a Catholic father of four young boys.
I go to abortion clinics to pray outside for 3 hours at a stint.
I'm staunchly pro-life.

The sidewalk counselors outside the clinics DO give material to those going inside that show photos like these.
Many of these mothers come out of the clinics crying ... and still pregnant .. having made the right 'choice' to carry their babies to term.

The highway is not a place for my 3, 5, 7, and 8 year olds to see graphic murder pictures.

I'm not ready to traumatize these young minds about such atrocities. When I am ready, I will have that discussion with each of them. That timing is for ME to decide.

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Originally Posted by East and West

Third, there are those who think that we should not show images of what abortion really is. Again, give me a break. The only real reason people are offended by those images is that they know that illustrates what abortion really is and forces people to confront their guilty consciences on the matter. These people are more concerned about how good everyone FEELS than they are about the fact that babies are being murdered every day! SICK SICK SICK!

You are wrong on this. I'm only against showing those images to children. I have no guilty conscience in regard to abortion. I am only concerned about how children feel. I care DEEPLY about the fact taht babies are being murdered every day.

The listing of your three categories is narrow and does not describe all those that might be opposed to showing abortion pictures on the side of the highway.

michel