Who will make up the "stable group of faithful?"

[BobP123]

In most parishes the same rules will apply as to the question of adding a regular mass to the schedule.

Not quite. The MP clearly states that the Ecclesia Dei commission has the final say on this. The commission can overturn any such parochial or diocesan decisions in the matter of adding the Extraordinary Form. One would hope that an existing Ordinary Form which draws 1000 parishioners on a Sunday 10am would not have to be replaced but ...that could happen.

[THutch04]

Originally Posted by KathleenElsie

When the indult is at a distance it was/is hard to have a "stable group" that attend if they have young families or are elderly and have to have others provide transportation.

We (you can call us Trads) want our children and grandchildren to have a 'home" parish for social reasons as well as worship (eg friends that can visit, future spouses so a pool or young Catholics is necessary for this). It is important that the community of friends are stable with values that match the Catholic morals we so highly value. The "home" parish that is over two hours away can not supply this need. (funerals, weddings, news of parishioners all tend to be lacking in a movable Mass)

So in my mind a "stable group of faithful" means much much more then just how many people are willing to travel long distances for the EM. It is how many can participate in the daily activities of the parish that has the EM.

That's a really good point to bring up that people who are traveling might not conveniently be able to participate in parish life. Just speaking from experience of having attended a church that was about an hour away, it was very difficult to be really involved in the daily life of the parish. If I had to travel further I probably wouldn't have wanted to be involved very much. Usually going to church on Sundays would take up about 5 hours between getting there, participating in the liturgy, coffee hour afterwards, and leaving. Most people I know just don't have that kind of time on a regular basis.

[PaixGioiaAmor]

Originally Posted by AlexV

Nope, sorry, wrong.

I know of one parish already, in Vermont, where a group of some 20 has been promised this Mass, starting in October.

The point? There is NO NUMBER RESTRICTION. A rumor started months ago that there would be, and Cardinal Castrillon recently said it was never discussed in Rome - he called it an "inappropriate, arbitrary restriction".

It's all about clerical attitude. SOME bishops have issued statements that are warm and friendly. Others...the same old game played since 1988...excuses, excuses, excuses, and the tired assurance that "not many want this" (thus they've never allowed it).

Sure. And I can find you parishes where the normative form of the mass is offerend for 5 people on weekdays.

Is that the norm? No. Will it happen with this? Don't count on it.

[PaixGioiaAmor]

Originally Posted by BobP123

Not quite. The MP clearly states that the Ecclesia Dei commission has the final say on this. The commission can overturn any such parochial or diocesan decisions in the matter of adding the Extraordinary Form. One would hope that an existing Ordinary Form which draws 1000 parishioners on a Sunday 10am would not have to be replaced but ...that could happen.

It could. But it won't.

Rome will never force a pastor to replace a mass with the Tridentine mass. It won't happen.

[AlexV]

We'll see. We'll see what happens when the first bishop tries to block a pastor's right and the letters fly to Rome.

[PaixGioiaAmor]

Originally Posted by AlexV

We'll see. We'll see what happens when the first bishop tries to block a pastor's right and the letters fly to Rome.

Rome may very well reaffirm that if a pastor wants the latin mass and has a group who wants it that the bishop cannot stand in his way. I'd buy that.

Rome will never tell a pastor to offer a latin mass for a few people where both he and the bishop concur that there is not sufficient interest.

[AlexV]

We shall see.

[BobP123]

Originally Posted by PaixGioiaAmor

It could. But it won't.

Rome will never force a pastor to replace a mass with the Tridentine mass. It won't happen.

Maybe not right away but St. John Vianney in Northlake, Ill. has split its one 10am Mass into (1) E.N.O upstairs and (2) TLM downstairs. And this was before the M.P.

The TLM had been said upstairs only on the third Sunday for a while as an experiment with eventual good results.

Rome will never tell a pastor to offer a latin mass for a few people where both he and the bishop concur that there is not sufficient interest.

I wonder if there were many such concurrences back in 1969 for the Novus Ordo.

[PaixGioiaAmor]

Originally Posted by BobP123

Maybe not right away but St. John Vianney in Northlake, Ill. has split its one 10am Mass into (1) E.N.O upstairs and (2) TLM downstairs. And this was before the M.P.

The TLM had been said upstairs only on the third Sunday for a while as an experiment with eventual good results.

Right. Obviously there was interest to warrant it. In that case, it makes sense.

The conversation was originally about a case of only a couple people being interested in the tridentine liturgy.

[BobP123]

Originally Posted by PaixGioiaAmor

Right. Obviously there was interest to warrant it.

Actually no. The pastor simply set up a series of Solemn High Masses said by two bishops between 8:30 and 10:00 and people warmly accepted them as they came in on those Sundays. Thus the TLM worked itself into a regular schedule.

First create the product in the right environment and the interest will take care of itself.

[KathleenElsie]

I think the saying goes:

"Build it and they will come."


My saying is:

"Say it and it will be attended."

[BobP123]

My saying is:

"Say it and it will be attended."

And the priest won't even give you a dirty look for coming in late.