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I was wondering something.

Is there a way that people of other faiths are recognized for their outstanding service to God? It appears to me that a person MUST be Catholic in order to be canonized a saint. To me, this seems a bit unfair to those worthy of this honor who are not Catholic unless there is an alternative recognition of some sort. What can you fine people on this forum tell me?

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All worthy servants of God are, we can be sure, fully recognised and honoured by the One they serve, which is the only thing any of us should truly desire.

As for canonisation - well, not all saintly Catholics get canonised either! Only about 10,000 in 2,000 years. Five a year average. So there are many who don't achieve the distinction of canonisation in spite of being worthy of it.

This can happen for many reasons. Perhaps they have lived their lives in obscurity, their virtues unrecognised by the world. Perhaps God has simpy not singled them out to us by the necessary verifiable miracles performed through their intercession. Who knows
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I was wondering something.

Is there a way that people of other faiths are recognized for their outstanding service to God? It appears to me that a person MUST be Catholic in order to be canonized a saint. To me, this seems a bit unfair to those worthy of this honor who are not Catholic unless there is an alternative recognition of some sort. What can you fine people on this forum tell me?

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No a person doesn't have to be RC to be recognized as a saint. In the Anglican church, there are many recognized saints including Martin Luther King Jr. among many others. It all boils down to how you believe. For myself, there are many saints from many denominations.
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No a person doesn't have to be RC to be recognized as a saint. In the Anglican church, there are many recognized saints including Martin Luther King Jr. among many others. It all boils down to how you believe. For myself, there are many saints from many denominations.
St. Thomas More is recognized as a Saint by both the Catholic and Anglican churches. From Wikipedia:
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In 1935, four hundred years after his death, More was canonized in the Catholic Church by Pope Pius XI, and was later declared the patron saint of lawyers and statesmen. He shares his feast day, 22 June on the Catholic calendar of saints, with Saint John Fisher, the only Bishop during the English Reformation to maintain his allegiance to the Pope. More was added to the Anglican Churches' calendar of saints in 1980.
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this is a good point.
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this is a good point.
The OP was clearly talking about the Catholic Church formally canonising saintly people of other faiths (which is the only 'recognition' we offer), not the Anglicans recognising Catholics or persons of other denominations.
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The OP was clearly talking about the Catholic Church formally canonising saintly people of other faiths (which is the only 'recognition' we offer), not the Anglicans recognising Catholics or persons of other denominations.
ok... So why should the latter be considered less valuable?
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There is speculation that Saint Brigid was actually a pagan goddess. Does that count?

I'm waiting for them to canonize Alphonse Louis Constant (Eliphas Levi). If it can work for Joan of Arc, why not another dissident.


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Maledictions belong to hell and anathemas are the acts of the popery of Satan. They should be shut up again in the grimoire of Honorius. The true Church of God prays for sinners and has no care for cursing them.

Fathers are censured who curse their children, but no-one has been found to admit that a mother might have cursed hers. The rites of excommunication used in barbaric times were those of sympathetic, or black, magic, as is proved by the fact that the holy things were veiled and all the lights were extinguished to render homage to darkness. Then the populaces were incited to rebel against their kings, extermination and hatred were preached, whole realms were interdicted, and the magnetic current of evil was strengthened by all possible means. This current has become a powerful vortex which is shaking the Chair of Peter, but the Church will triumph by indulgence and pardon. A day will come when the last anathemas of an oecumenical council will be these: Accursed be malediction, let anathemas be anathematized, and may all men be blessed! -- Then we shall no longer see mankind on one side and the Church on the other; for the Church will embrace mankind, and whoever is included in humanity cannot be otherwise than within the pale of the Church.

Dissident doctrines will only be regarded as ignorance. Love will do gentle violence to hatred, and we shall remain united by all the sentiments of sincere brotherhood, even with those who would wish to separate themselves from us. At that time religion will have conquered the world, and the Jews, our fathers and brothers, will join us in greeting the spiritual reign of the Messiah. This is the future prospect for our earth, which is now so desolate and unhappy: the second coming of the Saviour, the manifestation of grand Catholicism and the triumph of Messianism, our hope and our faith! ..."
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I was wondering something.

Is there a way that people of other faiths are recognized for their outstanding service to God? It appears to me that a person MUST be Catholic in order to be canonized a saint. To me, this seems a bit unfair to those worthy of this honor who are not Catholic unless there is an alternative recognition of some sort. What can you fine people on this forum tell me?

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Yes, a person must be Catholic in order to be a canonized Saint. That doesn't mean that non-Catholics can't become saints. I know I can think of one person in particular who I think could very well be a saint. But no, they are not recognized officially by the Catholic Church. But then again, I'm also the person who used to think that the only way one could be canonized was if he or she was a priest or nun.
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ok... So why should the latter be considered less valuable?
They're not, any more than law students from Harvard University in the US are less valuable than law students from Oxford University in the UK.

Doesn't mean that the one University can rightly mark the other's papers or give exams (or prizes) to the other's students!

And the Catholic Church don't hand out no honorary doctorates (or canonisations) to people of other faiths! Although the Vatican has different honours they hand out such as the Order of St Sylvester - I'd imagine at least some of those are open to people of other faiths
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Yes, a person must be Catholic in order to be a canonized Saint. That doesn't mean that non-Catholics can't become saints. I know I can think of one person in particular who I think could very well be a saint. But no, they are not recognized officially by the Catholic Church. But then again, I'm also the person who used to think that the only way one could be canonized was if he or she was a priest or nun.
That is simply not so. The Anglican church canonizes saints that the catholic church does not. Does this mean that they are really not saints? You may agree but I would say certainly not. Again, God is neither Catholic nor Protestant. His word is sharper than any double edged sword.
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No a person doesn't have to be RC to be recognized as a saint. In the Anglican church, there are many recognized saints including Martin Luther King Jr. among many others. It all boils down to how you believe. For myself, there are many saints from many denominations.
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Without regard to value, it is not the topic of this discussion.

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That is simply not so. The Anglican church canonizes saints that the catholic church does not. Does this mean that they are really not saints? You may agree but I would say certainly not. Again, God is neither Catholic nor Protestant. His word is sharper than any double edged sword.
I'd say it means they are not necessarily saints. It is possible that Dr. King is in heaven, but not necessarily true.
God may not "be" Catholic or Protestant, but He did institute ONE Church.
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Without regard to value, it is not the topic of this discussion.



I'd say it means they are not necessarily saints. It is possible that Dr. King is in heaven, but not necessarily true.
God may not "be" Catholic or Protestant, but He did institute ONE Church.
show me proof that the Roman Catholic church is that one church.
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Is this why the RC has to raise the magisterium to the same authority as scripture? Is it because scripture does not say that the church in Rome is the one true church of Christ founded upon Peter, so the magisterium now level in authority will make that claim? This seems to be extreme fabrication and very debatable.
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show me proof that the Roman Catholic church is that one church.
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