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Old Oct 31, '07, 4:38 pm
hungryfish hungryfish is offline
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Default Scripture, Tradition and Magisterium

I have been researching a simple answer to this on Google and other Catholic forums and continually get documents pages and pages long. While I know the connection between Scripture, Tradition and Magisterium I am having trouble putting it into words for a 5 minute presentation for my RCIA group. Does anyone have an answer or a suggestion as to where I may look. I can't be giving inquirers something written for a PhD
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Old Oct 31, '07, 7:03 pm
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How about this --

God revealed his plan for our salvation through Jesus Christ. This divine revelation came through the teaching and acts of Christ, which were passed on by the Apostles through written and oral teaching.

Christ also established his Church and the sacraments, which through the guidance of the Holy Spirit would aid us in our salvation until Christ comes back in the second coming. The apostles were given the authority to lead the Church by Christ.

The written teaching became the Bible through the establishment of the Canon by the Church, as an act of its bishops who have apostolic authority.

Oral teaching became the oral tradition passed down by the apostles and taught as the divinely inspired revelation of God.

The authority of the Church to teach and define doctrine and dogmas is seen through the Magisterium of the Church, which is the collection of bishops who have apostolic authority.
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Old Oct 31, '07, 7:46 pm
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My pastor explains it using the three legged stool analogy. Here are some explanations using this analogy:


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The Deposit of Faith of the Catholic Church consists of Holy Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium in conjunction with our holy Father the Pope. You can equate it to a three legged stool, with each leg having its own specific function. This three legged stool is also firmly implanted on the solid rock of the Catholic Church. See Matt 16:18, John 1:42, Eph 2:20, 1Pet 2:4-8


A three legged stool has strength, is sturdy, stable, steadfast and stalwart. That is all well and good. However, what happens when you cut off one leg? The stool becomes unstable and falls over.
http://home.inreach.com/~bstanley/legacy.htm


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God, then, has provided for us three gifts that together guarantee we can always know with confidence the truth about God and his plan for us. It is not a question of which gift is more important than the others–rather Scripture, Tradition, and Magisterium together form a three-legged stool that is stable and reliable. Upon this stool, the Church can rest. If any of the legs is taken away, however the stool collapses, the Church falls, and is fragmented. The council fathers sum it up well in Dei Verbum paragraph 10 "It is clear, therefore, that sacred tradition, Sacred Scripture and the teaching authority of the Church, in accord with God's most wise design, are so linked and joined together that one cannot stand without the others, and that all together and each in its own way under the action of the one Holy Spirit contribute effectively to the salvation of souls.”
http://www.crossroadsinitiative.com/...gisterium.html
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Old Oct 31, '07, 8:09 pm
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Hello,

Divine Revelation is a trinity and mirrors God. It is three in one. All three are equal. There is only one Divine Revelation. Its transmission consists of Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and the Magesterium. And like the Trinity, we have the source (Tradition), the word (Scritpture) and the living spirit (Magesterium). Sacred Tradition is the source of Revelation and is the teachings of Jesus passed on by the Apostles to the Bishops. Sacred Scripture is begotten of Tradition. The Magesterium proceeds from Tradition through Scripture.
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Old Nov 1, '07, 1:44 pm
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You will not go wrong by teaching what the Church herself says. From the CCC:
I. THE APOSTOLIC TRADITION

In the apostolic preaching. . .

76 In keeping with the Lord's command,
the Gospel was handed on in two ways:
- orally "by the apostles who handed on, by the spoken word of their preaching, by the example they gave, by the institutions they established, what they themselves had received - whether from the lips of Christ, from his way of life and his works, or whether they had learned it at the prompting of the Holy Spirit";
- in writing "by those apostles and other men associated with the apostles who, under the inspiration of the same Holy Spirit, committed the message of salvation to writing".

. . . continued in apostolic succession

77 "
In order that the full and living Gospel might always be preserved in the Church the apostles left bishops as their successors. They gave them their own position of teaching authority." Indeed, "the apostolic preaching, which is expressed in a special way in the inspired books, was to be preserved in a continuous line of succession until the end of time."

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This living transmission, accomplished in the Holy Spirit, is called Tradition, since it is distinct from Sacred Scripture, though closely connected to it. Through Tradition, "the Church, in her doctrine, life and worship, perpetuates and transmits to every generation all that she herself is, all that she believes." "The sayings of the holy Fathers are a witness to the life-giving presence of this Tradition, showing how its riches are poured out in the practice and life of the Church, in her belief and her prayer."


II. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN TRADITION AND SACRED SCRIPTURE

One common source. . .

80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal." Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".

. . . two distinct modes of transmission

81 "Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit."
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And [Holy] Tradition transmits in its entirety the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit. It transmits it to the successors of the apostles so that, enlightened by the Spirit of truth, they may faithfully preserve, expound and spread it abroad by their preaching."

82 As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, "does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone.
Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence."

Apostolic Tradition and ecclesial traditions

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The Tradition here in question comes from the apostles and hands on what they received from Jesus' teaching and example and what they learned from the Holy Spirit. The first generation of Christians did not yet have a written New Testament, and the New Testament itself demonstrates the process of living Tradition.
Tradition is to be distinguished from the various theological, disciplinary, liturgical or devotional traditions, born in the local churches over time. These are the particular forms, adapted to different places and times, in which the great Tradition is expressed. In the light of Tradition, these traditions can be retained, modified or even abandoned under the guidance of the Church's Magisterium.

This statement is also helpful:
But the task of authentically interpreting the word of God, whether written or handed on, has been entrusted exclusively to the living teaching office of the Church. whose authority is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ. This teaching office is not above the word of God, but serves it, teaching only what has been handed on, listening to it devoutly, guarding it scrupulously and explaining it faithfully in accord with a divine commission and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it draws from this one deposit of faith everything which it presents for belief as divinely revealed.
Dei Verbum 10.2
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Old Nov 1, '07, 4:41 pm
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Thank you all! I can draw from all your posts!

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