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Nov 26, '07, 8:08 pm
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Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
Jesus: O soul steeped in darkness, do not despair. All is not yet lost. Come and confide in your God, who is love and mercy.
-But the soul, deaf even to this appeal, wraps itself in darkness.
Jesus calls out again: My child, listen to the voice of your merciful Father.
- In the soul arises this reply: "For me there is no mercy," and it falls into greater darkness, a despair which is a foretaste of hell and makes it unable to draw near to God.
Jesus calls to the soul a third time, but the soul remains deaf and blind, hardened and despairing. Then the mercy of God begins to exert itself, and, without any co-operation from the soul, God grants it final grace. If this too is spurned, God will leave the soul in this self-chosen disposition for eternity. This grace emerges from the merciful Heart of Jesus and gives the soul a special light by means of which the soul begins to understand God's effort; but conversion depends on its own will. The soul knows that this, for her, is final grace and, should it show even a flicker of good will, the mercy of God will accomplish the rest.
My omnipotent mercy is active here. Happy the soul that takes advantage of this grace.
Jesus: What joy fills My Heart when you return to me. Because you are weak, I take you in My arms and carry you to the home of My Father.
Soul (as if awaking, asks fearfully): Is it possible that there yet is mercy for me?
Jesus: There is, My child. You have a special claim on My mercy. Let it act in your poor soul; let the rays of grace enter your soul; they bring with them light, warmth, and life.
Soul: But fear fills me at the thought of my sins, and this terrible fear moves me to doubt Your goodness.
Jesus: My child, all your sins have not wounded My Heart as painfully as your present lack of trust does - that after so many efforts of My love and mercy, you should still doubt My goodness.
Soul: O Lord, save me yourself, for I perish. Be my Savior. O Lord, I am unable to say anything more; my pitiful heart is torn asunder; but You, O Lord... Jesus does not let the soul finish but, raising it from the ground, from the depths of its misery, he leads it into the recesses of His Heart where all its sins disappear instantly, consumed by the flames of love.
Jesus: Here, soul, are all the treasures of My Heart. Take everything you need from it.
Soul: O Lord, I am inundated with Your grace. I sense that a new life has entered into me and, above all, I feel Your love in my heart. That is enough for me. O Lord, I will glorify the omnipotence of Your mercy for all eternity. Encouraged by Your goodness, I will confide to You all the sorrows of my heart.
Jesus: Tell me all, My child, hide nothing from Me, because My loving Heart, the Heart of your Best Friend, is listening to you.
Soul: O Lord, now I see all my ingratitude and Your goodness. You were pursuing me with Your grace, while I was frustrating Your benevolence. I see that I deserve the depths of hell for spurning Your graces.
Jesus (interrupting): Do not be absorbed in your misery-you are still too weak to speak of it-but, rather, gaze on My Heart filled with goodness, and be imbued with My sentiments. Strive for meekness and humility; be merciful to others, as I am to you; and, when you feel your strength failing, if you come to the fountain of mercy to fortify your soul, you will not grow weary on your journey.
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Nov 26, '07, 8:24 pm
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Re: Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
it is a beautiful message, the devotion to the divine mercy is incredible. it gives hope even when we think everything is already lost.
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Nov 26, '07, 8:26 pm
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Re: Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
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it is a beautiful message, the devotion to the divine mercy is incredible. it gives hope even when we think everything is already lost.
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I personally find this message very comforting.
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Nov 26, '07, 8:33 pm
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Re: Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
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I personally find this message very comforting.
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yes thanks it came in a good time for me. Sometimes people are stuck with their problem and tend to think that God would judge us in the same way we would judge anyone else, but his way of judging and his mercy is trascendental and go beyond our understanding, that is why it is important to have hope and not to fall in dispair.
thanks for posting it.
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Nov 26, '07, 8:35 pm
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Re: Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
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yes thanks it came in a good time for me. Sometimes people are stuck with their problem and tend to think that God would judge us in the same way we would judge anyone else, but his way of judging and his mercy is trascendental and go beyond our understanding, that is why it is important to have hope and not to fall in dispair.
thanks for posting it.
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Personally, I struggle with scrupulosity, and passages like this help me focus more on God's mercy and grace vs his judgement.
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Nov 26, '07, 8:46 pm
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Re: Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
yes it is very important to spread this devotion like the diary says, especialy in this times of confusions and misconceptions that people have about God.
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Nov 27, '07, 5:07 am
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Re: Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
I have had this conversation with the Lord and I only had to remember the Lord and call on Him during this battle with despair. There is an illumination of conscience as we see ourselves before God. It is purgative at the same time as evil is burned away as the Lord approaches the soul in despair. This is a powerful intervention that the soul that has a spark of hope and calls on God will be helped. He wipes away every tear and loves us perfectly revealing His closeness to us. I think it is most important to tell people to remember God and call on Him no matter what happens or what pit they find themselves in. I have to think He does this to all souls at the hour of death. That He extends His hand to us, we just have to take it. Hope and trust until the end!, Tim
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Nov 27, '07, 5:46 am
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Re: Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
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Jesus: Tell me all, My child, hide nothing from Me, because My loving Heart, the Heart of your Best Friend, is listening to you.
Jesus (interrupting): Do not be absorbed in your misery-you are still too weak to speak of it-but, rather, gaze on My Heart filled with goodness, and be imbued with My sentiments. Strive for meekness and humility; be merciful to others, as I am to you; and, when you feel your strength failing, if you come to the fountain of mercy to fortify your soul, you will not grow weary on your journey.
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Hi everyone, I'm Belle
I'm new to the book club. I've been reading the Diary on my own (I'm up to about page 460  ) and I'm loving it. I've seen the presentation the Mother of Mercy Messengers do twice (I highly recommend it if they'll be in your area).
Though I haven't gotten to this passage in the Diary yet (I'll try to catch up to you guys), during the MOMM presentations I've always been especially touched by this passage. I love that Jesus reminds us that He is our best friend -- what comfort! Of course, all honor and praise is due to Him as our Savior and King, but to know that He wants us to view Him as a friend, to have that kind of intimate relationship with Him, is so wonderful.
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Nov 27, '07, 6:23 am
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Re: Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
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I have had this conversation with the Lord and I only had to remember the Lord and call on Him during this battle with despair. There is an illumination of conscience as we see ourselves before God. It is purgative at the same time as evil is burned away as the Lord approaches the soul in despair. This is a powerful intervention that the soul that has a spark of hope and calls on God will be helped. He wipes away every tear and loves us perfectly revealing His closeness to us. I think it is most important to tell people to remember God and call on Him no matter what happens or what pit they find themselves in. I have to think He does this to all souls at the hour of death. That He extends His hand to us, we just have to take it. Hope and trust until the end!, Tim
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Thank you for sharing this with us.
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Nov 27, '07, 5:57 pm
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Re: Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
Just where do I start?
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Nov 27, '07, 5:59 pm
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Re: Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
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Just where do I start?
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At the beginning, dear.
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Dec 21, '07, 12:41 pm
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Re: Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
A recomforting message of hope.
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Dec 21, '07, 7:47 pm
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Re: Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
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At the beginning, dear. 
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I am not in despiar...but slowly getting there. But that i smy humanity. The other day I ahd to clean the restaurant's urinals, and somebody hurled in there. My first thought was, that is what my soul is really like. The term 'worm' alsocomes to mind. It is the dark night for sure, and the Lord is myconsolation. But this is the first Christmas I have not felt anything and if anyone knows me, knows that I LOVE Christmas. The whole kit and kaboottle I love....not this year, my first!
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Dec 22, '07, 7:03 am
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Re: Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
Ah, Shoshana, I don't know if anything in particular brought this on, but apparently it is quite common. I felt the same way for a couple of years. I am definitely not of Mother Teresa's caliber, but even she had problems. I was reading some from Introduction to the Devout Life, and the same thing was there. I will pray for you. Ask Mary and the saints to pray for you if you cannot pray for yourself.  Maybe listening to some music that you find uplifting would help a bit.
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Dec 26, '07, 7:27 am
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Re: Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
I'm at the beginning of reading St Faustina's diary and it's like listening to a friend. How good of Jesus to give us this message, when it is so needed in the world today. Someone asks "Where do I start". When I was going through trials some time ago, a wise spiritual director told me to "Do things that are life giving". Remember we are not only spiritual beings but also physical, emotional/psychological, and intellectual beings as well. And we have to take care of ourselves as full human beings. Pope John Paul was a good guide for me. He was a well rounded human being, and believed very strongly in the dignity of the human being as a child of God. He loved nature and nature is very healing. Too much of the wrong kind of introspection is not good for anyone. It's good also to look at one's good qualities, at one's God given talents and gifts, and focus on how we can use them the best we can. Another good place to start is to look outside oneself. To start looking for good in others and to read comforting passages in the Bible. Jesus said "He who has seen me has seen the Father" and even though he spoke harshly at times, it is good to remember that with sinners who believed in Him he was always gentle and kind. It's not who we are that matters, but Whose we are. Saint Paul says somewhere that for those who are in Christ there is no condemnation. He gave us the Church so that we wouldn't have to be alone with our struggles. Have faith in the Sacraments of the Church, you are baptized into Christ, Confirmed with the Holy Spirit, take comfort in receiving Jesus in the Eucharist and in His healing presence in Reconciliation. Do things that are life giving, and never let anyone or anything take away your trust in God.
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