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Old Dec 27, '07, 2:26 pm
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I've put a thread like this before but it's just not stopping. It's like my mind just doesn't let me control it sometimes. It's horrible i'll make promises to God and not always keep them. Sometimes I really feel like I am going to hell. I try not to but I need help. I pray and stuff like that but I seem to fall into that sin while i'm singing at mass or praying. Should I consult a spiritual director?


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I've put a thread like this before but it's just not stopping. It's like my mind just doesn't let me control it sometimes. It's horrible i'll make promises to God and not always keep them. Sometimes I really feel like I am going to hell. I try not to but I need help. I pray and stuff like that but I seem to fall into that sin while i'm singing at mass or praying. Should I consult a spiritual director?


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And THANK YOU for an excellent question.
I've done the same thing several times over the years - and wonder are we held down to the promises we make to God, if we don't swear on the Bible or take an oath in Church? Looking forward to a response from someone who can advise us.
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Making a resolution to do penance or prayer and breaking it is not a sin. It is a human weakness. The Apostles in the garden tried very hard to stay awake. But, they were overcome by their human weakness.

But, if you are breaking a commandment, it is a sin and should be confessed. Don't be discouraged! Persevere!

Every person has root sins that they struggle against. I have confessed the same kind of sin over and over. Every confession I am resolved to never commit that sin, but then I fail. Back to the confessional. Back to struggling against my root sins.

Our human natures are inclined to sin. It's our first impulse. It's through persistent work and reliance on the sacraments that we can overcome sins.

As for voluntary penance (resolutions of penance or prayer), we just keep training our bodies and mind.

As we grow stronger, we are better able to keep our promises.
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Making a resolution to do penance or prayer and breaking it is not a sin. It is a human weakness. The Apostles in the garden tried very hard to stay awake. But, they were overcome by their human weakness.

But, if you are breaking a commandment, it is a sin and should be confessed. Don't be discouraged! Persevere!

Every person has root sins that they struggle against. I have confessed the same kind of sin over and over. Every confession I am resolved to never commit that sin, but then I fail. Back to the confessional. Back to struggling against my root sins.

Our human natures are inclined to sin. It's our first impulse. It's through persistent work and reliance on the sacraments that we can overcome sins.

As for voluntary penance (resolutions of penance or prayer), we just keep training our bodies and mind.

As we grow stronger, we are better able to keep our promises.
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I've put a thread like this before but it's just not stopping. It's like my mind just doesn't let me control it sometimes. It's horrible i'll make promises to God and not always keep them. Sometimes I really feel like I am going to hell. I try not to but I need help. I pray and stuff like that but I seem to fall into that sin while i'm singing at mass or praying. Should I consult a spiritual director?


thank you
I'll share an experience of mine some years ago; won't go into much detail but the gist will. hopefully, be grasped.

In the confessional I poured out my sins..the good priest, after underscoring one sin in particular, stopped me and chastized me verbally and spiritually.

He summed his his words with, "You must promise God that you will NEVER do that again."

I responded, "I do, Father."
He then gave me absolution.

Wouldn't you know just a few short months later the same occasion was put in front of me...I was tested mightily. Through God's grace I turned away from that occasion and never looked back. It cost me friends in my refusal...that is the price we have to pay sometimes in loyalty to God.

I could never have turned away were it not for His graces.

A promise is a PROMISE especially when it is made to Him.
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Perhaps I didn't understand the question, and please do correct me if I am wrong.. but it sounds more like you're worried about making bargains with God. Is that correct? Like.. "Lord, if You do this.. I'll do that". I don't think an occasional, sincere promise (such as that we make, in the Act of Contrition), is in itself.. necessarily wrong. And we must pray for the grace, to keep those kind of promises.

But.. maybe this will help. The next time you feel an impulse to make a promise (bargain?) to God.. instead, try saying.. "Lord, Thy Holy and Perfect Will be done". In this way.. you're practicing a form of self denial, and at the same time.. acknowledging that God's Plan for your life, is the best. You're expressing your trust in Him. It might help to think of it, that way. It's a safety net, that always brings me peace. God bless.
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Perhaps I didn't understand the question, and please do correct me if I am wrong.. but it sounds more like you're worried about making bargains with God. Is that correct? Like.. "Lord, if You do this.. I'll do that". I don't think an occasional, sincere promise (such as that we make, in the Act of Contrition), is in itself.. necessarily wrong. And we must pray for the grace, to keep those kind of promises.

I cannot understand how you equate my "promise" as a bargain with God. Maybe I was not clear sufficiently. My promise was to "never do again what I was sorry for in the confessional" it had nothing to do with a tit-for-tat "bargain" with God. It was entirely about never offending Him again in that particular way. The promise was made before a priest which underscored the magnitude of that promise. Nothing was in back of my mind for a "reward" it was solely for absolution. There is no "reward' greater than absolution.

But.. maybe this will help. The next time you feel an impulse to make a promise (bargain?) to God.. instead, try saying.. "Lord, Thy Holy and Perfect Will be done". In this way.. you're practicing a form of self denial, and at the same time.. acknowledging that God's Plan for your life, is the best. You're expressing your trust in Him. It might help to think of it, that way. It's a safety net, that always brings me peace. God bless.

The promise was made in the confessional because I hurt Him. It was NOT a quid pro quo offer. I hope that clears that up. Sometimes things get lost in translation. Sorry, my fault.
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Thank you for correcting me. I felt, maybe.. I didn't have it quite right. I think the word "promise" stumped me. Because we do make certain "promises" to God, as in the Act of Contrition. So, I wasn't sure what the difficulty was (and therefore, should not have attempted a response).

I understand more clearly now. I hope the other repliers were able to answer your question. God bless.
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But.. maybe this will help. The next time you feel an impulse to make a promise (bargain?) to God.. instead, try saying.. "Lord, Thy Holy and Perfect Will be done". In this way.. you're practicing a form of self denial, and at the same time.. acknowledging that God's Plan for your life, is the best. You're expressing your trust in Him. It might help to think of it, that way. It's a safety net, that always brings me peace. God bless.
BEAUTIFULLY PUT. That is similar to the advice given to me by my spiritual director.

So I'll share more of what my spiritual director told me: Do your best to love God. I made some promises to God too (to do the Liturgy of the Hours and keep up with it although I'm only a layperson), but it's not a sin to break them because, as someone else said earlier, we are weak humans.

Don't look back at your past failures. Saints are sinners who get back up! Every new moment is a new chance to love God. Take advantage of those and don't let the devil catch you in his traps of despair and guilt.
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I'll share an experience of mine some years ago; won't go into much detail but the gist will. hopefully, be grasped.

In the confessional I poured out my sins..the good priest, after underscoring one sin in particular, stopped me and chastized me verbally and spiritually.

He summed his his words with, "You must promise God that you will NEVER do that again."

I responded, "I do, Father."
He then gave me absolution.

Wouldn't you know just a few short months later the same occasion was put in front of me...I was tested mightily. Through God's grace I turned away from that occasion and never looked back. It cost me friends in my refusal...that is the price we have to pay sometimes in loyalty to God.

I could never have turned away were it not for His graces.

A promise is a PROMISE especially when it is made to Him.
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Perhaps I didn't understand the question, and please do correct me if I am wrong.. but it sounds more like you're worried about making bargains with God. Is that correct? Like.. "Lord, if You do this.. I'll do that". I don't think an occasional, sincere promise (such as that we make, in the Act of Contrition), is in itself.. necessarily wrong. And we must pray for the grace, to keep those kind of promises.

But.. maybe this will help. The next time you feel an impulse to make a promise (bargain?) to God.. instead, try saying.. "Lord, Thy Holy and Perfect Will be done". In this way.. you're practicing a form of self denial, and at the same time.. acknowledging that God's Plan for your life, is the best. You're expressing your trust in Him. It might help to think of it, that way. It's a safety net, that always brings me peace. God bless.
thank you. I might use that little prayer. But I really did mean making promises to God, not necicarially bargains.
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BEAUTIFULLY PUT. That is similar to the advice given to me by my spiritual director.

So I'll share more of what my spiritual director told me: Do your best to love God. I made some promises to God too (to do the Liturgy of the Hours and keep up with it although I'm only a layperson), but it's not a sin to break them because, as someone else said earlier, we are weak humans.

Don't look back at your past failures. Saints are sinners who get back up! Every new moment is a new chance to love God. Take advantage of those and don't let the devil catch you in his traps of despair and guilt.
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And THANK YOU for an excellent question.
I've done the same thing several times over the years - and wonder are we held down to the promises we make to God, if we don't swear on the Bible or take an oath in Church? Looking forward to a response from someone who can advise us.
If you promise God something you should do it provided it is not something sinful. But it's only a sin to not do it if you make an oath or vow.
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Maybe you could change your approach a little bit. Whenever you want to make a promise to God, ask for His help to do the thing you want to promise instead. Like this:
"Dear Lord, I want to say the Rosary every day to honor You and Your Blessed Mother. Please help me to do this. With Your help, I will try my best."
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If you promise God something you should do it provided it is not something sinful. But it's only a sin to not do it if you make an oath or vow.
Thank you, John - but now pardon my pursuing this one step further. An oath, I believe, is swearing on the Bible. A vow is making a promise publicly before God and a formal audience or at the altar - such as (final) religious vows.

In other words, despite my promises (and I don't mean promising to say a prayer, etc.) but serious promises outside of the above-mentioned are (we assume without consulting of a spiritual advisor) not a sin? If I'm correct, color me relieved.
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