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Old Jun 7, '04, 7:16 pm
Karl Keating Karl Keating is offline
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Default Re: WARNING: The Most Holy Family Monastery

Most Holy Family Monastery seems to be pretty much a one-man operation. That one man is Michael Dimond, age 31. In 1995, when he was only 22, he succeeded the recently-deceased founder of the monastery.

That alone should be grounds for pause. Have you ever heard of a legitimate monastery that would select as leader someone who was too young to rent a car?

In fact Most Holy Family Monastery is not a real monastery and is not a real Benedictine foundation. Dimond puts "O.S.B." after his name, but he is in no way associated with the Order of St. Benedict.

His web site hovers around the 2,000,000 mark in the rankings of all web sites--that is, there are 2,000,000 other sites that are visited more frequently than his is. (Over the last week catholic.com has been around 7,800 in the rankings.) That Dimond's site ranks so low should be a comfort: Almost no one visits his site, which means not many people are being injured by it.

Not that I would expect much injury to come from it even if the site were ranked high. The reason is that Dimond's positions are just, well, goofy. It isn't just that he is a sedevacantist. It is that he has excommunicated everyone else on the Catholic right.

He thinks that the groups and publications that normally come to mind when one hears the phrase "extreme Traditionalists" (such as "The Remnant" and "Catholic Family News") are themselves awash in liberal heresy.

Feel free to visit his site and see for yourself. I'm not worried that anyone at the forums will succumb to Dimond's arguments, but it might be good for you to see what happens when bad logic is joined with hysterical claims.

(Besides, you'd give him a thrill: It wouldn't take many visitors to bring his site's ranking up to 1,900,000 for a week.)
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Old Jun 7, '04, 7:19 pm
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I don't quite understand what you mean here.

Sorry for the confusion. What I mean by that is that Mother was one of the greatest example of living God's calling in modern times. If more of us Catholics would follow her lead, the world would be better off. It makes me sick to think that people who call themselves Catholics or Christians feel that she was evil while they live in comfort and ease.
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Old Jun 7, '04, 7:30 pm
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Thanks for the clarification. I feel she was one of the best examples of Catholic charity that we've had lately.
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Old Jun 7, '04, 7:48 pm
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I wonder if these people realize that the upside-down cross is official symbol of St. Peter?
I doubt it. But, if they do, it's conveniently omitted.
Like the verses in Jeremiah 44 (16-19) concerning the "Queen of Heaven".

That one is a fundy favorite. It's also out of context, and not even relevant to the Virgin Mary. The verses are describing Ishtar, the goddess of fertility.

I don't read these websites anymore. They give me a headache.
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Old Jun 7, '04, 7:56 pm
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I wonder if these people realize that the upside-down cross is official symbol of St. Peter?
I doubt it. But, if they do, it's conveniently omitted.
Like the verses in Jeremiah 44 (16-19) concerning the "Queen of Heaven".

That one is a fundy favorite. It's also out of context, and not even relevant to the Virgin Mary. The verses are describing Ishtar, the goddess of fertility.

I don't read these websites anymore. They give me a headache.
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Old Jun 7, '04, 8:45 pm
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You know what would be funny? To put this guy and someone like Jack Chick in the same room, and see if one could convert the other. Like, would Jack Chick appreciate someone who thinks he's so "Catholic" that he's probably more anti-Catholic than Chick himself? I think it would be an hilarious conversation.

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Old Jun 7, '04, 8:49 pm
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Default The Essence of Catholics

Aren't we Catholics really just Jews and Gentiles who have Jesus?

Isn't our faith really simply just the "CROWNING" of Judiasm?

I mean, its nothing really NEW..is it...because it was all prophesized and subsequently fulfilled by Christ. So, truthfully, we are the REAL fundamentalists, because all we have are the bare basic fundamentals of faith.

Right?
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Old Jun 8, '04, 3:27 pm
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I recently viewed a video tape that was focused on creationism and provided supporing evidence of it against evolution.
I, too, watched that video, "Creation and Miracles", and thought it was great! I decided to use it as an evangelizing tool and ordered 100 of them to give away (They were really cheap in bulk). I decided to give a few to my Parish Priest and he thought it was so good that he called to order 100 more. When he received his order, he also received Bro. Michael's magazine with the article "Has Rome Become the Seat of the Antichrist?" in which he comes right out and accuses the last 3-4 Popes of being antichrists. Oh my word, was I ever shocked that Bro. Michael sent him that magazine.

I also gave one of the videos to a young girl who went to college with my daughter. Not long ago she asked me where she could order more from because she lent her copy out and it wasn't returned. I told her I didn't know and instead sent her the last copy I had. I thought the video itself was good, but too bad when you order them you also get their magazine with them.

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Old Jun 9, '04, 1:34 pm
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Again stimulating observations.At the Millennium people leased regular parish premises who I think may have been very extreme Catholic fantasists (my judgment not theirs).The speaker delivered a long exhausting discourse about Our Lady's desire to become known as the Neck of the Church because her Son is its Head.He talked about visions in an account which was basically an assembly of what one associated with Italy...hackneyed hagiography.The clerics and nuns who were in the same place may have been his entourage-they may well not have been genuine,they didn't demand money and we never heard from the apostolate again.I think some poor fellow had made it all up.

I've seen lavish but rather unconvincing literature come from Spokane Washington which far too many people mistake for genuine Catholic publications. It's not...they are slanted against the Pope and anything that is not in line with them.The nuns wear cumbersome full habit just for an effect.The chapels are overdone from what I've seen.

Talking by letter to the mentally ill man who calls himself Pius XIII led me to say "There but for the grace of God go I !"These people teach you much about the grand danger of becoming an evil fanatic, they exist also in the Anglican Church where they make grandiloquent claims about being part of the Catholic Church because they can get all the rituals right. For me there's nothing funnier than one of these "Fathers" biretta perched on his head in nineteenth century cassock dragging on a cigarette at the church door.What are they trying to prove ? The scene is also full of dishonest homosexual importuning.

Never mind, I didn't know the nazi toughs had gone religious-if a man's not a priest and is posing as one, he can be taken to consistory court.I checked about it-see me on Clerical Impostures(Wandering Clergy)
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Old Jun 9, '04, 6:45 pm
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Alright Amanda. I have never heard of that term sedevacantism.


Please, I need a crash coarse on this. I guess I should do a friggin Google search, but that's sometimes more difficult than anything. Google can often be a propaganda machine its self.

Hope to hear from you soon Amanda.
Sedevacantists believe that the Holy See is empty; that JP2 is a false Pope, etc. I recently read a thread here on this stemming from a woman who holds this position.

In any case, just as an FYI, Google is great, but there are search engines called "Meta Search Engines" They take a term and basically look deeper for it, then actuall sort it out by subtopics.

I've used www.metasearch.com as one, and there are others, some of which I use for work which are more government based. You may just want to type in "Meta Search Engine" for others like it as you'll not really get the same exact results with each individual engine...especially the popular ones.

OK, just an aside that I wanted to pass on.

Anyway, hopes something I said helped!
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Old Jun 9, '04, 6:59 pm
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Default Re: WARNING: The Most Holy Family Monastery

"It is no exaggeration to state that Mother Theresa of Calcutta was one of the greatest apostates in history."

Aaaaaaaaaa! **Twitch Twitch** That kills me.

I saw a cartoon in my cousins' non-Catholic newspaper one time. It depicted Christ sending a sad looking Mother Teresa to hell after pointing to the holes in his hands and saying, "MY wounds, not YOUR works." Ugh!

Some people are just plain jelous of her holiness.
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Old Jun 9, '04, 10:32 pm
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Gosh, I really had hoped that there weren't too many of these folks out there who were Sec-thingies...secandvantist...whatever, I can't spell it.

Anyway, it seems like they are comming out of the wood work. Shew! Its no time to nap. The vigil must be manned. Lets get our parishes to remain open 24 hours again; Remove the locks and open the doors such that the watchmen may take their posts.

Well, ok maybe that kind of vigil isn't exactly whats necessary, but proper Catholic teaching, education, and practice is essential to batteling these heresies.
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Old Jun 23, '04, 4:52 pm
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You know what would be funny? To put this guy and someone like Jack Chick in the same room, and see if one could convert the other. Like, would Jack Chick appreciate someone who thinks he's so "Catholic" that he's probably more anti-Catholic than Chick himself? I think it would be an hilarious conversation.

Ellen
Yeah, and they can host the debate at Bob Jones University!

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Old Apr 5, '05, 11:08 pm
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Default Re: WARNING: The Most Holy Family Monastery

I realize this is an old thread, but maybe someone will come back to the conversation to help me out.

I was contacted by someone involved with the beliefs of this website. Here's the problem: he sent me a letter, he's claimed to have sent over 8000 Priests. He says he's only recevied 3 replies out of the 8000 and none of them could point to the errors in his claims.

The e-mail is pages long, so I can't quote the entire thing. But here are a couple examples:
JPII is heretical because of his ecumenism, he kissed the koran and he called the jews our "favorite brehteren".
And if JPII is says anything that is "heretical" then he cannot be the true Pope.
The book of Maccabees prophesizes JPII as an apostate.
And on and on . . .

I could just delete the e-mail but then it lends credence to his point of view . . . that no one can point out the errors. This seems to be a thread with traditionalists, "tell me what I've said that is in error".

So, I thought maybe I should start one point at a time from his original letter . . . the ecumenism, including the koran kissing and his great love of jews, calling them "favored".

Has anyone had any success discussing this with someone this extreme? I'll be glad to quote bit of his e-mail if anyone reads this and thinks they can help me out.

I should point out, I'm new to these forums. I looked up Catholic.com because I like listening to Catholic Answers Live when I can and feel they are faithful and orthodox. And I'm no apologist. Only a poorly catechized Catholic who only been studying and trying to understand my faith more in the last few years.

Thanks and God Bless,
Laura
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Old Jun 14, '05, 1:07 pm
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Hi Laura,
I am in the midst of a family crisis of 'thems and theys"--the saved and the unsaved--when once we all called oruselves in union with the Pope, Catholics.

The Dimond brothers have helped "save" some of my family members --and in fact according to most of them these "brothers" are the ONLY ones speaking the truth these days. Even going so far as calling them modern day "St John the Baptists".

I have several family members attending the Tri Mass--by priests or sects the Dimonds condemn. That IS the trouble with protestants--the splintering. As one can readily see at this site--there IS a whole lot of discontent even among the various sedevacantist groups.

At the most Holy Family Monastery website in their Question and Comment section, two questions are directly related to members in my family.

Questions 78 and 54 are comments written by my nieces. # 78 is directly about me and an accident I was in, a few months ago.
Of course my niece has a whole lot of mis-information in her "comments" (my sister DID know I was coming out for the First Communions, and my intent in coming was NOT to "validate" anything--I was coming to support those who remain faithful Catholics in this family.

AS a convert to the Catholic Faith (41 years now) I have told my nieces and nephew, that popeless Christian assemblies for almost 500 years now, have been called Protestant. I was Protestant, and left this belief system to become Catholic, primarily because of the historical lineage to Peter, and his successors--and they are asking me to re-enter Protestanism.

In the 3-4 days of email enterchange I stuck mainly with papacy doctrines, sincerely asking for papal documents that allow for there never again being a successor to Rome (in their eyes). These folks have no pope and no way of getting one-(short of a "miracle" from God) -since all the cardinals and bishops are heretics.

4 days was the longest any of these kids lasted with me--before telling me I was of satan, and I was a near occassion of sin for them to read my responses and comments to the belief system they are now part of.

Any suggestions or web sites that any one can recommend to me--I would greatly appreciate. right now--its prayers and fasting!

God Bless
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I realize this is an old thread, but maybe someone will come back to the conversation to help me out.

I was contacted by someone involved with the beliefs of this website. Here's the problem: he sent me a letter, he's claimed to have sent over 8000 Priests. He says he's only recevied 3 replies out of the 8000 and none of them could point to the errors in his claims.

The e-mail is pages long, so I can't quote the entire thing. But here are a couple examples:
JPII is heretical because of his ecumenism, he kissed the koran and he called the jews our "favorite brehteren".
And if JPII is says anything that is "heretical" then he cannot be the true Pope.
The book of Maccabees prophesizes JPII as an apostate.
And on and on . . .

I could just delete the e-mail but then it lends credence to his point of view . . . that no one can point out the errors. This seems to be a thread with traditionalists, "tell me what I've said that is in error".

So, I thought maybe I should start one point at a time from his original letter . . . the ecumenism, including the koran kissing and his great love of jews, calling them "favored".

Has anyone had any success discussing this with someone this extreme? I'll be glad to quote bit of his e-mail if anyone reads this and thinks they can help me out.

I should point out, I'm new to these forums. I looked up Catholic.com because I like listening to Catholic Answers Live when I can and feel they are faithful and orthodox. And I'm no apologist. Only a poorly catechized Catholic who only been studying and trying to understand my faith more in the last few years.

Thanks and God Bless,
Laura
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