Catholic Q & A

Featured Question:

 Popular Subjects

 Top 20 Questions

 Ask A Question


Outreach Project
Our web outreach efforts are very effective, reaching millions of people around the globe with the Good News of Jesus Christ.

Please prayerfully consider a sacrificial donation in support of Catholic Answers and its Internet activities. As a token of our appreciation, we have a FREE gift for you.

 More info...


Latest Threads

Latest Group Msgs
Women Suffering Because of Unchastity
and i agree with u, be...
Today By: psalm42
The Very Fun Club
Can I join the possess...
Today By: Dwynwn
Catholic Vegetarians & Vegans
Beans, beans the magic...
Today By: 4elise
Integrating the Catholic Faith & Psychology
News! drpattiz said...
Today By: Lazarette
Catholic Soldiers
sgt hutch here i did...
Today By: sean peter
Saints working in our lives.
Don The Sisters of ...
Yesterday By: JRPO
Catholic Sports Fans
jpunto7 The winter ...
Yesterday By: JRPO
Charismatic Christians and Friends
Hi Everyone. I'm Ferds...
Yesterday By: Ferds Guiang
Catholic PTSD / Trauma Survivor group
Wow, I feel like the w...
Yesterday By: serenity7
Religious Talk
Agreed, I would love t...
Yesterday By: Eris Discordia

Special Offer



Go Back   Catholic Answers Forums > Forums > Liturgy and Sacraments
 

Welcome to Catholic Answers Forums, the largest Catholic Community on the Web.

Here you can join over 150,000 members from around the world discussing all things Catholic. Membership is open to all, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, who seek the Truth with Charity.

To gain full access, you must register for a FREE account. After registering you'll be able to:
  • Submit questions about the faith to experts from Catholic Answers
  • Participate in all forum discussions
  • Communicate privately with Catholics from around the world
  • Plus join a prayer group, read with the Book Club, and much more.
Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. So join our community today!

Have a question about registration or your account login? Just contact our Support Hotline.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search Thread Display
  #1  
Old Jan 11, '08, 9:37 am
pprimeau1976 pprimeau1976 is offline
Regular Member
 
Join Date: September 16, 2004
Posts: 1,382
Religion: Catholic
Default Requirements for Communion Wafers

This is a silly question, but what are the requirements for a parish when it comes to unconsecrated communion wafers that are to consecrated and distributed as the body of Christ?. As I understand it, it's to be unleavened bread. But are they restricted to using only unleavened bread made by certain organizations?

As I understand it, certain monasteries and convents make communion wafers. But, could a parish make their own bread if they wanted to as long as it was unleavened?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old Jan 11, '08, 9:45 am
SuscipeMeDomine SuscipeMeDomine is online now
Regular Member
 
Join Date: April 19, 2007
Posts: 2,250
Religion: Catholic
Default Re: Requirements for Communion Wafers

Some parishes make their own bread. It has to be made from wheat and water with no additional ingredients. I used to belong to a small parish where parishioners made the bread to be used at Mass. It added meaning that this was made by our hands and not from some outside source, but probably isn't practical in a larger parish.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old Jan 11, '08, 11:03 am
bluerose bluerose is offline
Regular Member
 
Join Date: June 15, 2004
Posts: 1,740
Religion: Catholic
Default Re: Requirements for Communion Wafers

PLEASE, if at all possible, support the sisters (most in cloistered orders) who make communion breads. Sometimes this is their sole support outside of donations. If you're looking for "meaning" in the unleavened bread your parish uses, think of the holy women who are spending their lives in prayer for all of us who make these breads.

Yes, I admit I'm biased. My sister-in-law is a discalced Carmelite whose community makes communion bread.
__________________
BlueRose
Visit: www.bridegroompress.com
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old Jan 11, '08, 11:24 am
bknebel bknebel is offline
Junior Member
Greeter
Prayer Warrior
 
Join Date: January 9, 2005
Posts: 329
Religion: Roman Catholic
Send a message via MSN to bknebel
Default Re: Requirements for Communion Wafers

Yup, the recipe is flour and water only. No honey, salt, baking soda etc.

I would say its better to buy the wafers, as 'home made' bread tends to be WAY more flakey and there is a definite risk of 'dropping some Jesus.'

I have helped make communion bread before and yes, it is meaningful when done as a part of a retreat or a small group, I do believe it would be impractical for a large parish to make the bread weekly, because the risk of crums, the labor involved, etc.

As was mentioned above, it is a good idea to support our holy women religious and men religious in monasteries. This is a good and holy ministry they offer us. Let's continue to help them!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old Jan 11, '08, 2:31 pm
Brenda V. Brenda V. is offline
Regular Member
 
Join Date: June 16, 2004
Posts: 3,329
Religion: Catholic
Default Re: Requirements for Communion Wafers

I do agree with BlueRose about purchasing from the Convents and Monasteries where the communion hosts are made.

My mom remembers spending time at the local convent when she was a child (some 65 years ago) and getting to help make the wafers and getting to eat the ones that didn't turn out! The Sisters in the convent loved her, this would be when she was 3 or 4 until she started school at 6.

At a museum in Albuquerque there are Communion Wafer irons - it's like a stove top waffle iron or pizzelle or krumkake iron only there are multiple small round spots and one large spot for the hosts for a Mass.

Brenda V.
__________________
Brenda V.
'A person is a person, no matter how small' Horton from Dr. Seuss' "Horton Hears a Who"


Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old Jan 11, '08, 4:07 pm
Br. Rich SFO Br. Rich SFO is online now
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: June 3, 2004
Posts: 10,936
Religion: Catholic
Default Re: Requirements for Communion Wafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by pprimeau1976 View Post
This is a silly question, but what are the requirements for a parish when it comes to unconsecrated communion wafers that are to consecrated and distributed as the body of Christ?. As I understand it, it's to be unleavened bread. But are they restricted to using only unleavened bread made by certain organizations?

As I understand it, certain monasteries and convents make communion wafers. But, could a parish make their own bread if they wanted to as long as it was unleavened?
Anyone could make Communion bread. However I understand that it takes skill to make communion bread from only water and wheat flour and not have it crumble everywhere.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old Jan 11, '08, 4:36 pm
Leopard Leopard is offline
Regular Member
 
Join Date: August 13, 2007
Posts: 1,867
Religion: Catholic
Default Re: Requirements for Communion Wafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by pprimeau1976 View Post
This is a silly question, but what are the requirements for a parish when it comes to unconsecrated communion wafers that are to consecrated and distributed as the body of Christ?. As I understand it, it's to be unleavened bread....
This is true for the Latin Church. Some, perhaps all of the Eastern Churches use a leavened bread.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old Jan 12, '08, 3:27 pm
John Hiner John Hiner is offline
Regular Member
 
Join Date: January 28, 2007
Posts: 646
Religion: Catholic
Default Re: Requirements for Communion Wafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by bknebel View Post
Yup, the recipe is flour and water only. No honey, salt, baking soda etc.
Laudatur Iesus Christus.

Is there a document which establishes this restriction? I agree that honey and baking soda are not appropriate. However, the notion that salt is not allowed seems an overstatement of both the General Instruction for the Roman Missal No. 320 and of the Canon 924 of the Code of Canon Law of 1983.* Is there some authoritative interpretation of this requirement that excludes salt?

This is of interest because of two passages in scripture:

"You shall season all your cereal offerings with salt; you shall not let the salt of the covenant with your God be lacking from your cereal offering; with all your offerings you shall offer salt." (Leviticus (RSV) 2:13.)

"You are the salt of the earth." (Matthew (RSV) 5:13.)

Spiritus Sapientiae nobiscum.

John Hiner

_______________
*The English translations of these sections give a different impression of the requirements than the Latin edition. In the Latin, “wheat” is an adjective, “wheaten,” while in English the use of the noun gives a slightly different impression. However, the fact that water is not mentioned makes it clear that neither the instruction nor the canon intend to give a full recipe.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old Jan 15, '08, 11:21 am
pprimeau1976 pprimeau1976 is offline
Regular Member
 
Join Date: September 16, 2004
Posts: 1,382
Religion: Catholic
Default Re: Requirements for Communion Wafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluerose View Post
PLEASE, if at all possible, support the sisters (most in cloistered orders) who make communion breads. Sometimes this is their sole support outside of donations. If you're looking for "meaning" in the unleavened bread your parish uses, think of the holy women who are spending their lives in prayer for all of us who make these breads.

Yes, I admit I'm biased. My sister-in-law is a discalced Carmelite whose community makes communion bread.
I'm not advocating taking the nuns jobs away. It was just a question I thought of.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old Jan 15, '08, 11:23 am
bknebel bknebel is offline
Junior Member
Greeter
Prayer Warrior
 
Join Date: January 9, 2005
Posts: 329
Religion: Roman Catholic
Send a message via MSN to bknebel
Default Re: Requirements for Communion Wafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by pprimeau1976 View Post
I'm not advocating taking the nuns jobs away. It was just a question I thought of.
of course! I never thought that you were thinking of taking their jobs away! I think making bread is an option, but due to the 'crumbility' of the bread, it might not be worth it to make the bread weekly.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old Jan 15, '08, 11:29 am
Seatuck Seatuck is offline
Regular Member
 
Join Date: June 5, 2004
Posts: 2,921
Religion: Catholic
Default Re: Requirements for Communion Wafers

Canon 924 §2.
The bread must be only wheat and recently made so that there is no danger of spoiling.

The instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum further specifies:

[48.] The bread used in the celebration of the Most Holy Eucharistic Sacrifice must be unleavened, purely of wheat, and recently made so that there is no danger of decomposition. It follows therefore that bread made from another substance, even if it is grain, or if it is mixed with another substance different from wheat to such an extent that it would not commonly be considered wheat bread, does not constitute valid matter for confecting the Sacrifice and the Eucharistic Sacrament. It is a grave abuse to introduce other substances, such as fruit or sugar or honey, into the bread for confecting the Eucharist. Hosts should obviously be made by those who are not only distinguished by their integrity, but also skilled in making them and furnished with suitable tools.


http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defenso...istic_bre.html
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old Jan 15, '08, 11:28 pm
John Hiner John Hiner is offline
Regular Member
 
Join Date: January 28, 2007
Posts: 646
Religion: Catholic
Default Re: Requirements for Communion Wafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seatuck View Post
Canon 924 §2.
The bread must be only wheat and recently made so that there is no danger of spoiling.

The instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum further specifies:

[48.] The bread used in the celebration of the Most Holy Eucharistic Sacrifice must be unleavened, purely of wheat, and recently made so that there is no danger of decomposition. It follows therefore that bread made from another substance, even if it is grain, or if it is mixed with another substance different from wheat to such an extent that it would not commonly be considered wheat bread, does not constitute valid matter for confecting the Sacrifice and the Eucharistic Sacrament. It is a grave abuse to introduce other substances, such as fruit or sugar or honey, into the bread for confecting the Eucharist. Hosts should obviously be made by those who are not only distinguished by their integrity, but also skilled in making them and furnished with suitable tools.


http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defenso...istic_bre.html
Laudatur Iesus Christus.

Thank you for the reference.

The quotation from “Redemptionis Sacramentum” seems to confirm that salt would not invalidate the matter. Bread made with wheaten flour, water, and a touch of salt would undoubtedly “commonly be considered wheat bread.” The addition of the other substances named, “fruit, sugar, or honey,” would change the bread from “wheaten bread” to “sweet bread” or even “cake.”

Does anyone know of any authoritative document that specifically disapproves of including salt with the wheat and water used to make the hosts for the Mass?

Spiritus Sapientiae nobiscum.

John Hiner
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old Jan 18, '08, 5:05 am
Seatuck Seatuck is offline
Regular Member
 
Join Date: June 5, 2004
Posts: 2,921
Religion: Catholic
Default Re: Requirements for Communion Wafers

John I would say that since salt is not listed it is not allowed. Jimmy Akin also agrees.At least he did in 2005.

http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defenso...istic_bre.html
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old Jan 18, '08, 7:31 am
Brendan's Avatar
Brendan Brendan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 19, 2004
Posts: 7,308
Religion: Catholic
Default Re: Requirements for Communion Wafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Hiner View Post
Laudatur Iesus Christus.

Thank you for the reference.

The quotation from “Redemptionis Sacramentum” seems to confirm that salt would not invalidate the matter. Bread made with wheaten flour, water, and a touch of salt would undoubtedly “commonly be considered wheat bread.” The addition of the other substances named, “fruit, sugar, or honey,” would change the bread from “wheaten bread” to “sweet bread” or even “cake.”

Does anyone know of any authoritative document that specifically disapproves of including salt with the wheat and water used to make the hosts for the Mass?

Spiritus Sapientiae nobiscum.

John Hiner
Redemptionis Sacramentum states that the addition of other substances would be an abuse. This is different from saying that it would invalidate the matter.

But either way, RS is also clear that it would be an abuse, so we should not do it, period.
__________________
Brendan
________________________________________ _______
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old Jan 18, '08, 9:03 am
Andreas Hofer Andreas Hofer is offline
Regular Member
 
Join Date: June 25, 2004
Posts: 2,706
Religion: Catholic
Default Re: Requirements for Communion Wafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by bknebel View Post
I would say its better to buy the wafers, as 'home made' bread tends to be WAY more flakey and there is a definite risk of 'dropping some Jesus.
A crucial consideration that is so often overlooked by parishes who make their own bread!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
Redemptionis Sacramentum states that the addition of other substances would be an abuse. This is different from saying that it would invalidate the matter.

But either way, RS is also clear that it would be an abuse, so we should not do it, period.
Exactly.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Catholic Answers Forums > Forums > Liturgy and Sacraments

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search Thread
Search Thread:

Advanced Search
Display

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Rosary Requirements Ramalama Spirituality 7 Mar 13, '07 2:41 pm
requirements for wearing five fold scapular hamburglar Spirituality 0 Feb 6, '07 7:20 pm
Extra Communion Wafers? ChristianWAB Liturgy and Sacraments 47 Apr 12, '06 10:42 am


Catholic Quotes

 Encyclopedia RSS

 Catholic Encyclopedia


SHOP: Sacraments

Most Active Groups
1380Catholic Vegetarians & Vegans
Last by: 4elise
1149The Very Fun Club
Last by: Dwynwn
829CAF Misfits
Last by: vacanebrake
645Christian Resignation/ Surrender
Last by: egilliam65
553Charismatic Christians and Friends
Last by: Ferds Guiang
407South African Catholic News Service (Please join)
Last by: Marc Aupiais
394Devotion to the Sorrowful Mother
Last by: FootStool
369Good Grief
Last by: whatevergirl
317Converting to Catholic
Last by: Grandad
291The Rosary Group
Last by: akaraiwecharles

Newest Groups
Sexual assault survivors group.
By: Eris Discordia
Religious Talk
By: Pastor Lee
ABBA ! I'm In Another Foxhole !!!
By: rwiding
Austin Catholic Cafe
By: littlequestion
St. Mel's Norco Ca
By: erikd
Traditional Catholics
By: Dominique1234
Catholic and miserable
By: Luke9900
The Passionists!
By: jimcav
Catholics in Recovery
By: joelo
West Florida
By: Yani0723
View full list


 

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 8:28 am.


Copyright © 2004-09, Catholic Answers.