Son and wife of Saint Peter?

Psychic · #1 Jan 15, '08, 8:10 am

http://www.newadvent.org/bible/1pe005.htm
But wasn'tSt. Peter the first Pope? How could he be married with children?

steveandersen · #2 Jan 15, '08, 8:17 am

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Originally Posted by Psychic

http://www.newadvent.org/bible/1pe005.htm
But wasn'tSt. Peter the first Pope? How could he be married with children?

1) IIRC he was married and had children before he became a disciple

2) The practice of clerical celibacy is of more recent origin

3) IIRC any Catholic man is eligible to be Pope regardless of martial status

DarkMark · #3 Jan 15, '08, 4:06 pm

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Originally Posted by Psychic

http://www.newadvent.org/bible/1pe005.htm
But wasn'tSt. Peter the first Pope? How could he be married with children?

First, St. Peter was married before he became the leader the Christ's Church. Second, celibacy was not imposed to bishops (etc) at the time. It took some time before the Church officially announced that Bishops (etc) must practice celibacy, even though many in the Early Church practice celibacy.

MH84 · #4 Jan 15, '08, 11:34 pm

I wonder if any descendants of the apostles are still alive? They probably don't even know who they are descendants of.

**NotWorthy** · #5 Jan 16, '08, 12:57 am

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Originally Posted by Psychic

http://www.newadvent.org/bible/1pe005.htm
But wasn'tSt. Peter the first Pope? How could he be married with children?

I'm sorry, but you are mistaken.

Al Bundy was "Married, with Children".

steveandersen · #6 Jan 16, '08, 5:57 am

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Originally Posted by MH84

I wonder if any descendants of the apostles are still alive? They probably don't even know who they are descendants of.

There may be very many of them

Population genetics being what they are, all it takes is time

"They" say that 0.5% of the men in the world (that’s about 30,000,000 mostly in Asia) is descended from Genghis Kahn and that up to 1 in 12 Irishmen are descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages base on Y chromosome groupings.

That is not even counting descent on the female side

Mankney · #7 Jan 16, '08, 8:54 am

Is not the article writing about Mark the Gospel writer who documented Peter's preaching? They were very close, like Paul and Timothy was. It would not be uncommon to refer to him as his son.

mschrank · #8 Jan 16, '08, 8:56 am

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Originally Posted by Mankney

Is not the article writing about Mark the Gospel writer who documented Peter's preaching? They were very close, like Paul and Timothy was. It would not be uncommon to refer to him as his son.

That's what I thought... I think (conservative) consensus is he was speaking figuratively about Mark who wrote the first gospel.

Ignatius · #9 Jan 16, '08, 3:11 pm

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Originally Posted by Psychic

http://www.newadvent.org/bible/1pe005.htm
But wasn'tSt. Peter the first Pope? How could he be married with children?

Where does it say the Pope can't be married?

Apparently, you not only aren't psychic, you don't even do good scholarship on the subjects you are attempting to address.

robert ambrose · #10 Jan 16, '08, 4:00 pm

where does it say that peter's wife was alive,only his mother in law is mentioned.

strngrnrth · #11 Jan 16, '08, 6:20 pm

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Originally Posted by MH84

I wonder if any descendants of the apostles are still alive? They probably don't even know who they are descendants of.

A person whose ancestors all came from a country roughly the size of England (That's the example I read about) would probably be descended from every person alive in that country 1000 years ago who has living descendants. I don't know how many people in the Middle Ages have current living descendants. Of course, really every country has had people coming and going so that it's far more complex. But geneticists apparently identified a Medieval man who is an ancestor to close to everyone alive today. He had sons and daughters by many women, and most of his children were prolific as well and well-traveled. So, when you look at both sides of the family, you are really almost everyone's cousin. It's more important to know about your ideas' roots than your physical roots.

Gamera · #12 Jan 16, '08, 6:49 pm

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Originally Posted by Psychic

http://www.newadvent.org/bible/1pe005.htm
But wasn'tSt. Peter the first Pope? How could he be married with children?

Yes, St Peter was married. No requirement of clerical celibacy existed back then. Remember, clerical celibacy isn't a doctrine. It's just a church discipline.

Ignatius · #13 Jan 16, '08, 7:26 pm

Looks like Psychic is MIA.

dacoobob · #14 Jan 16, '08, 8:43 pm

Early on married men could become clerics (deacons, priests, and bishops), but they were expected to refrain from relations with their wives after they were ordained.

Ignatius · #15 Jan 16, '08, 10:18 pm

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Originally Posted by dacoobob

Early on married men could become clerics (deacons, priests, and bishops.

And it is still the case today. I went to DL at the Melkite parish that has a married priest and deacon. There are even a number of Latin Rite married clergy, although they are mostly converts or multi-ritual priests.