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Old Feb 8, '08, 1:18 pm
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Default What is The Cross...without The Christ?

"Just" this...

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Old Feb 8, '08, 1:21 pm
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"Just" this...

That isn't at all true and it certainly isn't charitable. The empty cross is a very significant symbol, even to Catholics. Just as the crucifix is very important to some Protestants.
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Old Feb 8, '08, 1:26 pm
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Not sure if the earliest Christians agree with you on that, they did use the Cross as well...
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Old Feb 8, '08, 1:29 pm
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"Just" this...

Did you notice that the cross on the steeple of most churches, including Catholic are empty? There are many other examples of empty crosses. It's not an empty symbol.
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Old Feb 8, '08, 1:31 pm
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Not sure if the earliest Christians agree with you on that, they did use the Cross as well...
I like that you said that. I've said it and have been called an idol worshipper and a lier. But you saying that shows me that you have a true Christian heart.



I'm sure they did.

I used to see these big anchor/cross/crucifix combinations and was disgusted by them...I considered them blasphemous.

Then I found out that during pre-Constantinian days, the Christians used to "hide" their crosses in the anchor emblem so that other Christians would recognize them as Christians.
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Old Feb 8, '08, 1:33 pm
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I like that you said that. I've said it and have been called an idol worshipper and a lier. But you saying that shows me that you have a true Christian heart.



I'm sure they did.

I used to see these big anchor/cross/crucifix combinations and was disgusted by them...I considered them blasphemous.

Then I found out that during pre-Constantinian days, the Christians used to "hide" their crosses in the anchor emblem so that other Christians would recognize them as Christians.
That is like the tattoo I have on my right shoulder. An anchor, with a cross hidden in it. For me, the anchor and cross are a really cool combination of symbols.
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Old Feb 8, '08, 1:36 pm
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2ndGen,

The cross, without the sacrifice of Jesus, has little meaning -- or maybe it has more than we think.

Jesus used the image of the cross as the burden of those who would follow him: "...whoever does not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:38, with similar passages in Mark and Luke). The cross, with its association with cruel death, was a part of Jesus' description of what it would mean to follow him -- the path would not be easy.

We, of course, have the advantage of knowing "the rest of the story."
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2ndGen,

The cross, without the sacrifice of Jesus, has little meaning -- or maybe it has more than we think.

Jesus used the image of the cross as the burden of those who would follow him: "...whoever does not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:38, with similar passages in Mark and Luke). The cross, with its association with cruel death, was a part of Jesus' description of what it would mean to follow him -- the path would not be easy.

We, of course, have the advantage of knowing "the rest of the story."
Can I assume that you mean that "we" means Christians?
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Actually I think it's this.
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Old Feb 8, '08, 1:49 pm
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Actually I think it's this.
To me it says this is what was done, but He is not here.
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That is like the tattoo I have on my right shoulder. An anchor, with a cross hidden in it. For me, the anchor and cross are a really cool combination of symbols.
(Proof that Catholics and non-Catholics can learn Christian things from each other)

I never saw it that way!

Beautiful!



Yes, the cross anchoring us and our lives.

I heard of one guy who had a huge almost full body cross tatooed across his left shoulder.

Get the symbolism?
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Old Feb 8, '08, 1:52 pm
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2ndGen,

The cross, without the sacrifice of Jesus, has little meaning -- or maybe it has more than we think.

Jesus used the image of the cross as the burden of those who would follow him: "...whoever does not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:38, with similar passages in Mark and Luke). The cross, with its association with cruel death, was a part of Jesus' description of what it would mean to follow him -- the path would not be easy.

We, of course, have the advantage of knowing "the rest of the story."
Since I was born in The Sixties (69), I can say this...

"Right on!"

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Old Feb 8, '08, 1:56 pm
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Actually I think it's this.
Right there, it's a "symbol" to me
(nothing wrong with that),
but what is it "here"?


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Old Feb 8, '08, 2:12 pm
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The cross without Christ (to me) is a symbol, a logo.

The Cross "with" Christ is The Reason.

(Wow...just typing that choked me up.)
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"...we preach Christ crucified: unto the Jews indeed a stumbling block, and unto the Gentiles foolishness." 1 Cor. 1:23

Who am I to disagree with Paul?

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