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Old Feb 15, '08, 9:15 am
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I received as a present from our priest a replica of the Icon of "Our Lady Mediatrix of all Graces - by Joseph Terelya".

I am hoping to find out something about this Icon such as what the colors and things in it represent.

It is a RCC Icon and I have heard the colors can differ but otherwise they are vary similiar. I also think EO hold a special reverance wit Icons and are probably more versed in them then say an RCC.

So I am going to post the picture I have and then the orange stickers related to my picture and then a pgoto copy of what I believe is from the original Icon.

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http://www.ls1fbody.com/Family%20Pictures/icon.jpg

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http://www.ls1fbody.com/Family%20Pictures/history.jpg

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Josyp Terelya is a claimed visionary with messages of alleged private revelation. His claimed private revelation has no approval from the Church.
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Old Feb 15, '08, 9:51 am
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Josyp Terelya is a claimed visionary with messages of alleged private revelation. His claimed private revelation has no approval from the Church.
How about the Icon?

Can you help with explaining it?

I heard the three stars on Mary have a certain meaning.
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Yes, I'm afraid I got nailed for inadvertently violating a rule on unapproved apparitions-- but this post is about an icon, not apparitions.

I have no problem whatever with icons of the Immaculate Heart of Mary or of this kind, as long as they are written in iconographic good taste and with respect for tradition. Having the inscription in Latin though-- I wouldn't have gone that far.
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Yes, I'm afraid I got nailed for inadvertently violating a rule on unapproved apparitions-- but this post is about an icon, not apparitions.

I have no problem whatever with icons of the Immaculate Heart of Mary or of this kind, as long as they are written in iconographic good taste and with respect for tradition. Having the inscription in Latin though-- I wouldn't have gone that far.
I would guess an EO would use Greek.
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Yes, I'm afraid I got nailed for inadvertently violating a rule on unapproved apparitions-- but this post is about an icon, not apparitions.

I have no problem whatever with icons of the Immaculate Heart of Mary or of this kind, as long as they are written in iconographic good taste and with respect for tradition. Having the inscription in Latin though-- I wouldn't have gone that far.
Absolutely. Using Latin is going WAY too far. LOL .
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How about the Icon?

Can you help with explaining it?

I heard the three stars on Mary have a certain meaning.
Three stars symbolize that Mary was a virgin before, during and after the Nativity of Christ.

They are also a symbol of the Trinity. Sometimes the star on one shoulder is hidden by the figure of the Christ Child since He is the second person of the Holy Trinity.

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Also in case you didn't know, the letters on each side of Mary (MP OY) are Greek abbreviations for the words Mater Theou, meaning Mother of God.
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Also in case you didn't know, the letters on each side of Mary (MP OY) are Greek abbreviations for the words Mater Theou, meaning Mother of God.
Thanks Durango the information you have provided is exactly the stuff I was hoping to get.

If you can offer anymore I would appreciate it.

Such as the bird, is it a dove and is it the Holy Spirit.

The colors being red or blue or whatever...

And the book in the hand of Jesus.

I was also told something about Jesus looking older than a small child or something like that.
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You can probably google an email address for him and discus directly with the artist.
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I don't have a clue what this icon is symbolizing, but I can point out some traditional iconographic symbolisms.

Someone else already said the three stars are Mary's perpetual virginity before, during, and after Jesus' birth. The red robe is for humanity and the blue for divinity. Therefore, Mary's red is cloaked in blue while Jesus' blue is cloaked in red. Jesus is not shown as an infant but always shown with mature features, usually more mature than in your icon, to show that he did not grow into his Godhood but was always God.

Someone else already said that MP OY means Mother of God. IC XC is Jesus Christ. They are the first and last letters of each word in Greek.

The book Jesus is holding is the Gospel. I can only remember the Gospel being held in icons of Christ alone. Icons of Christ being held by Mary typically have a scroll. I'm no expert so I would like someone to point out any which I might not be remembering or might not have seen before.

The bird, the fish symbol, and Mary's handkerchief all are untraditional to the best of my knowledge. The white faces and blue eyes are used, I think mainly in the Russian tradition, but they always look strange to me. One other thing which looks funny to me is how plump Mary is in this one.
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Absolutely. Using Latin is going WAY too far. LOL .
How is it going too far? Perhaps the West will eventually revitalize it's Iconography, not very likely of course. In Maronite icons little to no Greek is used, mostly Syriac. Although there are some icons with both.

For example

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How is it going too far? Perhaps the West will eventually revitalize it's Iconography, not very likely of course. In Maronite icons little to no Greek is used, mostly Syriac. Although there are some icons with both.

For example

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I was being sarcastic. I have no problem with Latin in an Icon.
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I was being sarcastic. I have no problem with Latin in an Icon.
Mea culpa, mea culpa! My apologies!

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