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Old Feb 19, '08, 10:06 am
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Default May I cover my head at a Byzantine Rite Divine Liturgy?

Hello All -

My DH and I will soon be visiting a Byzantine Rite Church for Divine Liturgy. He is doing some website work for the priest there, and so we would like to experience the Church and the Liturgy.

I cover my head at Mass and at Adoration - would it be appropriate to do so at this Church/Liturgy? I know what it means to me in the context of the NO or TLM, and the Western Church - but I don't want to offend anyone or be inappropriate in any way.

Thanks in advance! We will probably be going in a couple weeks.

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Old Feb 19, '08, 10:25 am
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You may.

If you wear a mantilla, it will be obvious that you are a visiting Latin. If you are OK with that, go ahead. If not, you can wear a scarf.

The response of the people will depend on the parish and the Church. You said the Church uses the Byzantine rite, but that narrows it to 14 different Catholic Churches spanning the Eastern world. Which Church is it you plan to attend? Their histories create different responses to headcoverings.

Those in close proximity to other religions which require headcoverings are more likely to refuse to wear them. In Romania it is Protestants who cover and in the Middle East Muslims do. Wearing a headcovering there can be a political and religious statement of solidarity with another faith's teachings. On the other hand, the Russian Orthodox cover so that isn't a problem there. The Ukrainians are in close proximity to the Polish Catholics who cover and it isn't uncommon to see mantillas in Ukrainian parishes.

What I'm trying to say is that you should talk it over with your husband and God and do what you are called to. If you are going to a church with a high number of immigrants it would be nice to take their cultural considerations into account in choosing a type of headcovering.
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Old Feb 19, '08, 10:45 am
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Thank you so much! This is most helpful.

We will be visiting this Church: http://www.shbyzantine.com/

I will be calling them on some other topics unrelated to this discussion, but when I do I'll just ask what would be appropriate.

Thanks again - we are very much looking forward to this.

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Old Feb 19, '08, 10:51 am
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Based on the parish's name and information on their website, I would venture a guess that your mantilla will not be out of the ordinary there.

Unless your husband is the one who composed the text on the front page. Is he? If so, the people here could suggest some more precise terms.
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I'm somewhat familiar with the parish and especially with their now retired Pastor. It is a fine parish that from the looks of the building and the name of the Church was greatly repressed by the Roman rite during its history. Nevertheless, it is reclaiming much of its patrimony. It is a very loving parish with a fairly new pastor.

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Based on the parish's name and information on their website, I would venture a guess that your mantilla will not be out of the ordinary there.
Thank you - that is good to know, I'll still plan to give them a call anyway just to be comfortable with my decision.

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Unless your husband is the one who composed the text on the front page. Is he? If so, the people here could suggest some more precise terms.
Thank you for your offer to suggest terminology, I'll be sure to let him know!

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...from the looks of the building and the name of the Church was greatly repressed by the Roman rite during its history.
Could you explain this a bit? I'm not sure what you mean as I am not very familliar with the history of the Orthodox Church.

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From the late nineteenth century until 1995 with the publication of "Orientale Luman" Roman Catholic leaders in America have tried to force Eastern Catholics to conform to Western ways. They eliminated our married priests in 1929 and more than half of our members left to form an Orthodox Church. To try to make Roman Catholics understand that we are truely Catholics buildings like Sacred Heart were built to look like Roman Cahtolic Churches when by nature and patrimony our temples look something like this www.byzantinecatholic.com We have no "Sacred Heart" traditions. We acquiessed to them to make us more palatible to the Romans.

Sacred Heart parish is slowly reclaiming Eastern patrimony but it has been a long journey.

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Thank you - that helps very much!

~Liza
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...They eliminated our married priests in 1929...

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Interesting sidenote about this particular parish, especially in light of your comment quoted above - the current pastor, Fr. Joseph Marquis, is indeed himself a married man! He was ordained to the priesthood on February 12, 2006 by Bishop John of Parma. His was the first ordination of a married man to take place in America within our Byzantine Catholic Church in recent years... let us pray for many, many more!

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What do the Ruthenians call the priest's wife? Panimatka?

A better way to word it might be, what does Fr. John's wife prefer to be called? She will set the modern precedent!
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It is a Ruthenian parish. No requirement to do so, no prohibition for women to do so. Veil if it makes you comfy. A lace, knit or gauze scarf tied over the head and under the chin is Traditional... the so called "Babushka" look.

At St. Nicholas, we have a couple who scarf, a couple in chapel veils*, a few in mantillas, and one or more in hats. And of course, sister has her veil, too. One wears a bandanna tied at the back of the neck.

* by chapel veil, I'm referring to a (8"-12") round or oval lace veil that doesn't quite cover the whole of the hair, but does frame the face a bit.

I saw much the same mix a decade ago at St. Stevens in Detroit, and 7 years ago in Orlando. With great irony, I'll point out that I've sen mantillas on some RO women, too.
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I have a dark burgundy-brown lace triangular veil that blends right in with my dark auburn hair - I think I'll go with that one. It is less noticible than some others I own which are longer and more formal.

Thanks to all - this is been wonderfully informative!!

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I have a dark burgundy-brown lace triangular veil that blends right in with my dark auburn hair - I think I'll go with that one. It is less noticible than some others I own which are longer and more formal.

Thanks to all - this is been wonderfully informative!!

~Liza
Who knows. If you fall in love with the parish we may meet someday. We get up to Plymouth 2 or 3 times per year, sometimes more often, and we sometimes go to liturgy there.

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Old Feb 19, '08, 1:54 pm
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If you really believe that wearing a head cover is the spiritually correct thing to do, then wear it regardless of what anyone else thinks. That's one of those things I wouldn't compromise on if it meant that much to me. If it's just a cultural custom, then just go with the flow of the church you'll be attending.

I understand the cultural reasons of ethnic churches eschewing headcovering , but then, what did women do who truly believed that it was spiritually correct to cover their heads? Did they allow cultural concerns to override their beliefs?

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