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May God be with you.

An evangelical friend says they believe that Heaven is a planet.

2Cor 12:2 ...was caught up to the third heaven.

Catholic Study Bible says - God himself dwelt in the third of these (meaning number of heavens). WIth out giving us any clear picture of the cosmos, Paul indicates a mental journey to a nonearthly space, set apart y God, in which secrets were revealed to him.


Then in the New American Standard STudy Bible...there explaination regarding 2 Cor 12:2-4 says; caught up to the third heaven...caught up into Paradise. Paul is sure of this remarkable experience, but he is unsure whether this rapture (being caught up) was on that included the body or one that took place in separation from the body. The Third Heaven disgnates a place behond the immediate heaven of the earth's atmosphere and beyond the further heaven of outer space and its constellations into the presence of God himself.

Then in a concordance of of his it lists 50 facts about the Planet Heaven????

Weird or what??!!!

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Hello ~

This idea of "planet heaven" appears to derive from the theology of Finis Jennings Dake (1902-87), a Pentecostal preacher whose Dake's Annotated Reference Bible has been used by some Pentecostal, Charismatic, and Word of Faith proponents over the past thirty years or so. Its unorthodox doctrinal ideas are popular especially within this latter group. For more information:

http://www.learntheology.com/bible/f...ake_bible.html
http://www.sites.onlinemac.com/trwmainst/dake.html
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/dakes.html
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/dakes_bible.htm


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Old Mar 3, '08, 4:26 pm
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Heaven is not a planet. It is not a physical place.
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I think Paul is using a Jewish idiom when he mentions the "third heaven". I'm not sure of the details, but he was following the commonly held Jewish belief of the time.
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Our universe is a place of imperfection, where things decay, die, change from more to less perfect and back again, is a place where we can fall in and out of love, be separated, change what we want. Such an idea, that of heaven being a planet, runs against the conditions of existence in our universe. Heaven must lack the conditions of our universe.
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If I'm not mistaken, my namesake's structure of heaven in The Divine Comedy is not entirely inaccurate.

Insofar as heaven is not a physical place, it still has a hierarchy, if I recall correctly. Those who are the most sanctified are "nearer" to God, while the rest are varying degrees of "less close" to God.

In other words, a dedicated and holy disciple who is martyred might fall into the first category, while a life-long womanizing atheist who experiences a deathbed conversion would fall into the second -- after purifcation in Purgatory, of course.

Could be wrong; I seem to remember reading something about this in the CCC, though.

In any case, to the OP: heaven is NOT a planet; all of the universe is part of creation and therefore temporary. Heaven is eternal, and is a state of being that can be described as wholly other than that to which we are accustomed -- namely in that it is complete union with God.

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May God be with you.

An evangelical friend says they believe that Heaven is a planet.

2Cor 12:2 ...was caught up to the third heaven.

Catholic Study Bible says - God himself dwelt in the third of these (meaning number of heavens). WIth out giving us any clear picture of the cosmos, Paul indicates a mental journey to a nonearthly space, set apart y God, in which secrets were revealed to him.


Then in the New American Standard STudy Bible...there explaination regarding 2 Cor 12:2-4 says; caught up to the third heaven...caught up into Paradise. Paul is sure of this remarkable experience, but he is unsure whether this rapture (being caught up) was on that included the body or one that took place in separation from the body. The Third Heaven disgnates a place behond the immediate heaven of the earth's atmosphere and beyond the further heaven of outer space and its constellations into the presence of God himself.

Then in a concordance of of his it lists 50 facts about the Planet Heaven????

Weird or what??!!!

Please respond and God bless you!
Donna, St. Paul writes of his experience of being in God's Presence in the language familiar to the Jews who spoke of the three heavens after the imagery of Genesis. The first heaven is the sky we see in the daytime; the second - and farther - is what we can see at night. Above these two "levels" is where God dwells. So, St. Paul isn't saying that there are three levels within Heaven itself, but is merely saying that it was into God's presence that he was drawn. (As you may know, this passage of St. Paul's is used by Mormons in an attempt to uphold their teaching on three levels of Heaven: Telestial,Terrestrial and Celestial.)

So, no, Heaven isn't a planet (does your friend think that God's nature is physical and thus has need of a planet on which to live and which to welcome us to?).
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May God be with you.

An evangelical friend says they believe that Heaven is a planet.

2Cor 12:2 ...was caught up to the third heaven.

Catholic Study Bible says - God himself dwelt in the third of these (meaning number of heavens). WIth out giving us any clear picture of the cosmos, Paul indicates a mental journey to a nonearthly space, set apart y God, in which secrets were revealed to him.


Then in the New American Standard STudy Bible...there explaination regarding 2 Cor 12:2-4 says; caught up to the third heaven...caught up into Paradise. Paul is sure of this remarkable experience, but he is unsure whether this rapture (being caught up) was on that included the body or one that took place in separation from the body. The Third Heaven disgnates a place behond the immediate heaven of the earth's atmosphere and beyond the further heaven of outer space and its constellations into the presence of God himself.

Then in a concordance of of his it lists 50 facts about the Planet Heaven????

Weird or what??!!!

Please respond and God bless you!
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Our universe is a place of imperfection, where things decay, die, change from more to less perfect and back again, is a place where we can fall in and out of love, be separated, change what we want. Such an idea, that of heaven being a planet, runs against the conditions of existence in our universe. Heaven must lack the conditions of our universe.
Amen - including all the planets it contains. Planets themselves are formed, change and die over time. Jupiter, for example, is in fact a failed star (never got the right conditions to become a flaming ball of gas as the Sun did). And anyone who's done geography knows how the continents have drifted apart from each other, how mountain ranges and ocean trenches have formed and changed and so on.
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May God be with you.

An evangelical friend says they believe that Heaven is a planet.

2Cor 12:2 ...was caught up to the third heaven.

Catholic Study Bible says - God himself dwelt in the third of these (meaning number of heavens). WIth out giving us any clear picture of the cosmos, Paul indicates a mental journey to a nonearthly space, set apart y God, in which secrets were revealed to him.


Then in the New American Standard STudy Bible...there explaination regarding 2 Cor 12:2-4 says; caught up to the third heaven...caught up into Paradise. Paul is sure of this remarkable experience, but he is unsure whether this rapture (being caught up) was on that included the body or one that took place in separation from the body. The Third Heaven disgnates a place behond the immediate heaven of the earth's atmosphere and beyond the further heaven of outer space and its constellations into the presence of God himself.

Then in a concordance of of his it lists 50 facts about the Planet Heaven????

Weird or what??!!!

Please respond and God bless you!

I believe that is a 7th day Adventist and Mormon teaching. Perhaps your friend has such a background and was never properly catechized in the mainstream Protestant beliefs.
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An evangelical friend says they believe that Heaven is a planet.
Is he pentecostal? I have heard this, a long time ago, from a friend at school, who was an Assemblies of God pastor's son.....
I thought it was weird then, and it still sounds weird to me now!!


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Hello ~

This idea of "planet heaven" appears to derive from the theology of Finis Jennings Dake (1902-87), a Pentecostal preacher whose Dake's Annotated Reference Bible has been used by some Pentecostal, Charismatic, and Word of Faith proponents over the past thirty years or so. Its unorthodox doctrinal ideas are popular especially within this latter group......

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Heaven is not a planet. It is not a physical place.
Huh? No, it has some physical characteristics, as our ressurected bodies will reside there. Although, admittantly, it's in a realm outside of our universe, and is probably uncomprehesible to us in our current state.
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Wouldn't it have to be a physical place as well as a spiritual place in order for Christ to reside there with both body and spirit?


Oh, heck, blame the whole thing on Galileo!!
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Heaven is not a planet. It is not a physical place.
Correct. Heaven is union with God, and hell is eternal seperation from God.
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May God be with you.

An evangelical friend says they believe that Heaven is a planet.

2Cor 12:2 ...was caught up to the third heaven.

Catholic Study Bible says - God himself dwelt in the third of these (meaning number of heavens). WIth out giving us any clear picture of the cosmos, Paul indicates a mental journey to a nonearthly space, set apart y God, in which secrets were revealed to him.


Then in the New American Standard STudy Bible...there explaination regarding 2 Cor 12:2-4 says; caught up to the third heaven...caught up into Paradise. Paul is sure of this remarkable experience, but he is unsure whether this rapture (being caught up) was on that included the body or one that took place in separation from the body. The Third Heaven disgnates a place behond the immediate heaven of the earth's atmosphere and beyond the further heaven of outer space and its constellations into the presence of God himself.

Then in a concordance of of his it lists 50 facts about the Planet Heaven????

Weird or what??!!!

Please respond and God bless you!
## In one word: Yuck !

In more than one word: That is not is the sort of thing that St. Paul points to (1 Corinthians 2.9). It sounds like the "heaven" of spiritualists - which is apt to be described as though it were rather superior but somewhat dull hotel.

I want to be damned, if the sort of thing described in your post is heaven: it is appalling & horrible that preachers should be so successful in making heaven so pedestrian - C.S. Lewis' Mountain of Aslan has more holiness about it, than the dull thing this preacher has thought up. It's as bad as the idea that God occupies a throne located in space. Why are people incapable of seeing that Heaven cannot be described, & that God cannot be described ? If they kept their ideas to themselves, that would be their business alone - but when they spread them, people are entitled to object.

The idea of nine heavens, each one moved by an angel or angelic "choir", with the Empyrean Heaven "enclosing" them, is better than any of that silliness. It's alsovery useful for helping memorise the order & names of the angelic choirs - which is more than can be said for the "Heaven-as-planet" idea. Since Heaven is not located in place anyway, not only is the whole idea absurd, but God is the "location" of Heaven: all creation is "in" God. As Dante saw in Canto 33 of the Paradiso

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