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Old Mar 29, '08, 12:52 pm
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Default Is Masturbation a sin?

I have really been wondering if masturbation is a sin. I dont think that it is so much because of the sexual content, but rather because of the fact that the sperm is life giving potential. Masturbation is more of a release of stress and anxiety. We need some nurturing that we are not getting and so we literally stroke ourselves to ease the pain. So how can it be a sin of sexual temptation?

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I have really been wondering if masturbation is a sin. I dont think that it is so much because of the sexual content, but rather because of the fact that the sperm is life giving potential. Masturbation is more of a release of stress and anxiety. We need some nurturing that we are not getting and so we literally stroke ourselves to ease the pain. So how can it be a sin of sexual temptation?

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welcome i see you are new here my i suggest you use the search feature in the top left side of the tool bar.you will find what you are looking for. and no matter how one dresses it up masturbastion is a sin.and a mortal one at that.
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Old Mar 29, '08, 1:11 pm
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I am not dressing it up. Masturbation is part of our sexuality and our sexuality is affected by the satisfaction we are getting from our human relationships. And our human relationships can cause stress and anxiety which lead to us needing some kind of comfort and nurture. Many people who struggle with masturbation do not have a relationship with God where they can come back to him when they are hurt and let Him heal our wounds.

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I am not dressing it up. Masturbation is part of our sexuality and our sexuality is affected by the satisfaction we are getting from our human relationships. And our human relationships can cause stress and anxiety which lead to us needing some kind of comfort and nurture. Many people who struggle with masturbation do not have a relationship with God where they can come back to him when they are hurt and let Him heal our wounds.

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first off mastrubation is not part of our sexuality....i didn't get a pat on the back for preparing supper so i can play with myself to consol my feelings and it is alright do do so???is this what you seem to imply? there isn't an excuse i haven't heard to justify this behavior since i wrote all of them.
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I have really been wondering if masturbation is a sin.
Wonder no more. It is. And a grave sin. How do we know? The Church has told us. From the Catechism:
2352: By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety, or other psychological or social factors that can lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.
You don't have to understand it (that will come with time), you don't have to agree with it (that will come with maturity and prayer) but you have to follow it to the best of your ability. Why? Look at your profile my bother. You are Catholic and this is what the Chruch teaches.

fbl9 had a great suggestion: Use the search feature and you will find threads where all of your arguments will have been hashed out.

P.S.- if it helps, know that we all, men and women, have struggled, continue to struggle, and will struggle with this.
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I meant that our natural temptations are part of our sexuality. I am not trying to justify this behavior or implying that it is ok to do so, so DONT place that upon me. I am saying, that sex is becoming something hidden in our society. People, especially teenagers, are hiding porn magazines and masturbating in their rooms. My point is, there is something affecting their behavior. Moreover their is something that is causing them to respond to a situation by resorting to masturbation. It is a release of all the tension and anxiety and stress that one may be feeling. If one is not nurturing that anxiety in other ways, the only way to get it out is to masturbate. It is a release. People need to know that their is comfort in knowing that Christ will console you and you dont have to try to do it yourself.

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Old Mar 29, '08, 3:20 pm
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Do you really think I dont know what the church says about this Doctor? I am trying to show that there is a reason, other than sexual temptation that we masturbate. So how can it be a sin of sexual temptation?

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I meant that our natural temptations are part of our sexuality. I am not trying to justify this behavior or implying that it is ok to do so, so DONT place that upon me. I am saying, that sex is becoming something hidden in our society. People, especially teenagers, are hiding porn magazines and masturbating in their rooms. My point is, there is something affecting their behavior. Moreover their is something that is causing them to respond to a situation by resorting to masturbation. It is a release of all the tension and anxiety and stress that one may be feeling. If one is not nurturing that anxiety in other ways, the only way to get it out is to masturbate. It is a release. People need to know that their is comfort in knowing that Christ will console you and you dont have to try to do it yourself.

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i won't just reading what was written.now we are clarified on what you are getting at.yes it is a release but more oftener then not it is the source of the anxiety.for some it is a hidden plea for attention from parents,yet no one would admit this.for others it is pure rebelion,a lack of understanding of one's self.western society is bombarded by sexual suggestions. to look "hot" and the attention that goes with it is big business.due to the" healthy" north american diet the bodies of youth are being accelerated to earlier physical maturity before the intellect can properly handle this "new" horomonal(sic) changes.basically we have people who are"ready" but are too immature to deal with this "readiness" we want what is fast and convient not what takes time and work.
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I agree with you. Thank you for your comments!!!
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Old Mar 30, '08, 7:17 am
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The stress in the common Catholic teaching that, for the unmarried, all directly intended sexual stimulation is objectively grave matter, has led many to the false conclusion that whenever an unmarried person experiences sexual stimulation while awake, he is inevitably guilty of mortal sin. Such a conclusion overlooks the equally common teaching of the Church that a person incurs mortal guilt only when he has fully and deliberately chosen what he clearly realizes to be seriously wrong. Difficulties can arise in determining whether a particular act is fully deliberate or not. But even here there are certain guidelines especially applicable in this matter that may help to avoid the two extremes of considering all such experiences mortal sins or of declaring that there are never any mortal sins in this matter.

What takes place spontaneously during sleep cannot involve guilt. Furthermore, generally speaking, when one is in a sleepy state of just having wakened on trying to get to sleep, his acts will hardly be fully deliberate. There is a natural interplay of sexual stimulation and phantasm or imagination that can easily lead to spontaneous and involuntary actions by the process known to psychologists as ideomotion. Serious sin must always involve a fully deliberate choice of what one fully realizes to be seriously wrong. Such a choice not easily presumed to be that of anyone who wants to love and serve God.

On the other hand, the sexual instinct is one of man's strongest instincts, and the pleasure connected with its activation is one of the keenest of sensual pleasures. For this reason, many normal persons may at times choose this form of self-gratification when other more natural forms are not available without difficulty or unwanted involvement. Such a deliberate choice is always a mortal sin.

A fully deliberate choice to offend God in this matter will usually be recognized by a confessor without need of questioning if the penitent confesses other grave sins or indicates deliberate grave negligence in avoiding sinful occasions of sin. One who freely chooses to offend God for the pleasure of self-gratification in masturbation will probably be willing to do other actions against the law of God.

A truly neurotic compulsion will usually cause other symptoms of emotional disturbance that can lead one to suspect some emotional imbalance. This may be from a glaring inconsistency between the person's usual attitude of trying always to please God in all things and his seemingly deliberate setting up of a situation that leads to masturbation. Sincere sorrow immediately after an experience is suggested by some theologians as a fairly good sign that the action was not truly a fully voluntary choice. Constant obsession with sexual thoughts and imaginations by one who wants to love God is usually a sign of some underlying psychological conflict. An absence of any experience of pleasure from the act combined with a feeling of compulsion to perform it is another indication. Even extreme frequency with apparently genuine sorrow after each occurrence can be a significant indication.

These norms are not absolute guarantees of accuracy in a diagnosis, but they can help toward reasonable presumptions of guilt or innocence of formal mortal sin for the subject and for his confessor or counselor.

Where the experience is rather of an involuntary emission, perhaps touched off by involuntary actions or phantasms, even when the subject is awake, he should be reassured that he is not guilty of grave sin and perhaps of no sin at all. To tell him that he can avoid even these involuntary experiences if he tries hard enough and uses supernatural means can cause severe anxiety and even despair, since he may not be able to avoid what is really involuntary. Drugs are not to be recommended for reducing normal sexual instincts, but only on advice of a physician when there seems to be excessive sexual sensitivity. Normal expectancy for some kind of involuntary emission by a sexually mature male without any other sexual outlet ranges from about once a month to about twice a week on an average. For women, there is not the same spontaneous pressure of sperm buildup, but for many the onset of menstruation can cause involuntary stimulation, as can other accidental causes, e.g., constipation or bladder pressure.

Theologians are agreed that while one must ordinarily offer positive resistance to temptations, one may omit such resistance for sufficient reasons, As a sufficient reason, they mention the need for rest or study: that one need not put off required rest nor interrupt legitimate study or work to fight positively for any long time against such involuntary motions and temptations. One cannot study or get to sleep while concentrating the mind on positive resistance to such motions or temptations. This does not mean that one may deliberately seek the physical release of masturbation either. But if an unintended process leads to an emission, there is no fault in such a case. This is true even when one foresees that such a release will take place. Even movements of the hand or body at such times can be reflex, involuntary actions.

Having said this, however, it must also be understood that deliberate masturbation can never be used or advised as a remedy or help in fighting mental or physical disease or abnormality. This would be to use an immoral means to achieve a good end, a practice condemned by Holy Scripture (Rom. 3:8) and the teaching of the Church. Pius XII expressly condemned any such activity for psychotherapeutical purposes (addresses of Sept. 13, 1952, and April 13, 1953), and the Holy Office denied the licitness of masturbation to obtain a semen specimen for the detection and cure of gonorrhea (reply of Aug. 2, 1929).
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instead of sleeping my mind was wandering as usual.i remebered reading in one of St. Pual's letters something about >>>if there is a man in your midst who enjoys looking at women cast him out, something along these lines.now back to today what has really changed from then to now in regards to people viewing women?answer it is just easier and more convient now.
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As a habitual, addicted, compulsive masturbater let me just say that it is not only a sin because the Church says so, it is easily discerned as a sin by the way it makes you feel.

Masturbation gives temporary relief for stress and anxiety but the anxiety and guilt causes in the long term are tell tale signs of deceit.

I was confirmed just this Vigil and it took me two hole days to fall into it again. That was over a week ago and I haven't been able to make it to confession yet. In the course of living in that sin despair, sorrow, and anxiety have led me to feelings of hoplessness that in turn has led me to compound my original fall by doing it again. I'm not making excuses, I chose to follow those impulses, but that's just what happens.

After you give in and your stress is "relieved" it's so easy to look back and see the evilness in the lustful desires. Nothing else matters. Only sexual satisfaction. It's horrible.

Pray for those who struggle with this, myself included.
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While it is a mortal sin objectively, there are certain "legal loopholes" that the church lists as bringing down to a venial sin, or perhaps not even a sin at all, such as "immaturity, force of habit, stress, compulsion, etc." This doesn't excuse the act, but shows that subjective forces do lessen the sin.

Remember, there are three things to make a sin mortal: full knowledge, full understanding of consequence, and full consent. It is the last one that one focuses on here. Most who do this sin actually do not give full consent, but rather "reluctant" consent. Because of their immaturity or the force of habit, they do not want to do it, but rather give in because they are weak. This is where the anxiety comes from; they think because they are weak that they've committed mortal sin and so are rejected by God. DO NOT THINK THIS WAY!!!! No, if you are working and praying on this, and keeping in mind that you do eventually want to reach a point where you don't do this sin any more, then you are NOT committing mortal sin. Otherwise, you will fall into despair and then fall by the wayside, out of the Catholic faith.

Do you know why the majority of people do this act? Is it because they are perverts and sex fiends? No, they do it because they are lonely. Surprised? Don't be. Loneliness is a major problem in our society today, and what a person feels when they masturbate is not always lust and disregard for the person and their dignity (which is mortal sin), but rather they long to love someone and be fulfilled by someone loving them back. This is a normal need, but masturbation isn't the answer. It is an imperfect solution .

What you need to do, then, is this:

1. Stop being hard on yourself.
2. If the act is based on lust and objectifiying someone, then= change your focus and repent of this.
3. If your motive is loneliness, pray to God that some day, you will find that special someone to fulfill you in the covenant of matrimony.
4. If you are committed to the celibate life, or are just single, find your focus once again, but remember the first point given above should you fail.
5. One more time, STOP being hard on yourself! Work on overcoming this imperfect act, but don't be crushed should you fail. Trust in God, and know that if you surrender this to Him and keep focused, He will help you overcome this.
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I meant that our natural temptations are part of our sexuality. I am not trying to justify this behavior or implying that it is ok to do so, so DONT place that upon me. I am saying, that sex is becoming something hidden in our society. People, especially teenagers, are hiding porn magazines and masturbating in their rooms. My point is, there is something affecting their behavior. Moreover their is something that is causing them to respond to a situation by resorting to masturbation. It is a release of all the tension and anxiety and stress that one may be feeling. If one is not nurturing that anxiety in other ways, the only way to get it out is to masturbate. It is a release. People need to know that their is comfort in knowing that Christ will console you and you dont have to try to do it yourself.

Pax Christi
Sex is hardly hidden in our modern society. I would argue that the overabundance of sexual imagery and porn available at the touch of a button or remote control has clearly fueled and "normalized" this once universally condemned behavior. Do you honestly think people didn't engage in this act during the Middle Ages? And stress? What could be more stressful than watching your entire family die painfully from the Black Plague? We place an inordinate amount of importance on modern day stress but I would argue that much of this is of our own making. We create pressure by pursuing unnecessary wealth and demanding that we all have our slice of the pie, no matter the cost, and then rationalize bad behaviors by saying it is a "stress reliever".

There are countless morally acceptable and emotionally healthy outlets for stress yet people continue to espouse this myth that sexual release is somehow necessary. It is not. Many, many folks live very fulfilled and healthy lives without misusing their sexual faculties. Reducing sexual pleasure, a gift from God to be used in a specific context, to nothing more than biological valium is demeaning.

Young people, especially very young children, engage in all types of gross behaviors to relieve stress. Temper tantrums spring to mind. Fighting with siblings, crying and screaming uncontrollably at inoportune times (stores, Church), picking their noses and eating the contents. It is up to the parents to redirect a child's inappropriate urges.
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1). Can people (with the help of God) control their sexual urges? 2). Does the Church have the authority to bind the faithful to teachings on faith and morals?

Answer no to either and you are off the map. Masturbation unambigously is a grave wrongdoing. It is dehumanizing to both the self and whomever one is fantasizing about and over time destroys one's capacity for true love. No excuses, no rationalizations. If anyone reading this is doing it, confess and stop cold turkey. Pray to God for strength and it is possible to kick this permanently. God bless.
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