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A sermon last Friday by a prominent Muslim cleric and Hamas member of the Palestinian parliament openly declared that "the capital of the Catholics, or the Crusader capital," would soon be conquered by Islam.

The fiery sermon, delivered by Yunis al-Astal and aired on Hamas' Al-Aqsa TV, predicted that Rome would become "an advanced post for the Islamic conquests, which will spread though Europe in its entirety, and then will turn to the two Americas, even Eastern Europe."


"Allah has chosen you for Himself and for His religion," al-Astal preached, "so that you will serve as the engine pulling this nation to the phase of succession, security and consolidation of power, and even to conquests through da'wa and military conquests of the capitals of the entire world.
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Old Apr 14, '08, 12:27 pm
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I wonder if the non-extremist muslims will address this at all. Hopefully this is just their standard rhetoric.
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Hopefully our bretheren in Europe will re-awaken as they have historically done when pushed.
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Old Apr 14, '08, 12:32 pm
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I think this is one of the major factors that will cause a rebirth of Christianity in Europe. As Islam becomes more agressive, Europeans will return to the Faith to counter the encroachment. I imagine we'll have a religious war or two before it's over. It seems similar to the era immediately before the Crusades when the Western Church was in much disarray, but the threat of Islam galvanized the Christian West to take action.

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Do Fox have stringers hanging out at Mosques all over the world waiting for some crank to say something to frighten Americans?

It obviously works but it must cost a bit.
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FOX news is bought and paid for by the establishment to push propaganda to frighten people. People can be controlled by fear. I'm not saying that this Hamas dude didn't actually say this, but they seem to push these types of stories more so than others.

Frankly I'm tired of it. The longer people are afraid of Islam and terrorism the more they will rely on the government for protection and the more willingly they will give up their freedoms and liberties to stay "protected" from this outside "threat". The patriot act never would have passed in a million years if it wasn't for the fear of the people of terrorism, real or imaginary.

I'd like to see Islamic radicals try to take over the Vatican. All of Europe and America will rally against them if they do...I think it is just another fear tactic.
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FOX news is bought and paid for by the establishment to push propaganda to frighten people. .
Don't blaim FoxNews, this was aired on Hamas TV

A Hamas MP and Cleric Yunis Al-Astal in a Friday Sermon: We Will Conquer Rome, and from There Continue to Conquer the Two Americas and Eastern Europe

It actually get's worse:

Yunis al-Astal, a Hamas MP and cleric, told worshipers that Islam would soon conquer Rome, "the capital of the Catholics, or the Crusader capital, which has declared its hostility to Islam, and which has planted the brothers of apes and pigs in Palestine in order to prevent the reawakening of Islam," just as Constantinople was.

Rome, he said, would become "an advanced post for the Islamic conquests which will spread through Europe in its entirety, and then will turn to the two Americas, and even Eastern Europe."

In his address aired on Hamas's Al-Aksa TV and also translated by MEMRI, Astal told his audience: "Allah has chosen you for himself and for his religion, so that you will serve as the engine pulling this nation to the phase of succession, security, and consolidation of power, and even to conquests through da'wa [preaching] and military conquests of the capitals of the entire world."

"I believe that our children or our grandchildren will inherit our jihad and our sacrifices, and Allah willing, the commanders of the conquest will come from among them. Today, we instill these good tidings in their souls, and by means of the mosques and the Koran books, and the history of our prophet, his companions, and the great leaders, we prepare them for the mission of saving humanity from the hellfire on the brink of which they stand."

The clip can be viewed at http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1739.htm.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull
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Don't blaim FoxNews, this was aired on Hamas TV

A Hamas MP and Cleric Yunis Al-Astal in a Friday Sermon: We Will Conquer Rome, and from There Continue to Conquer the Two Americas and Eastern Europe
As I was asking, do they have stringers hanging out looking desperately for Muslim cranks to quote?
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As I was asking, do they have stringers hanging out looking desperately for Muslim cranks to quote?
I doubt it. This was reported by the Jerusalem Post who does monitor Hamas TV, for valid reasons:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

Bottom like, is that a Hamas member of Parliament and Imam did, in fact, say this. So it is valid news.
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Do Fox have stringers hanging out at Mosques all over the world waiting for some crank to say something to frighten Americans?

It obviously works but it must cost a bit.
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FOX news is bought and paid for by the establishment to push propaganda to frighten people. People can be controlled by fear. I'm not saying that this Hamas dude didn't actually say this, but they seem to push these types of stories more so than others.

Frankly I'm tired of it. The longer people are afraid of Islam and terrorism the more they will rely on the government for protection and the more willingly they will give up their freedoms and liberties to stay "protected" from this outside "threat". The patriot act never would have passed in a million years if it wasn't for the fear of the people of terrorism, real or imaginary.

I'd like to see Islamic radicals try to take over the Vatican. All of Europe and America will rally against them if they do...I think it is just another fear tactic.
Interesting. So, you folks prefer to have these items omitted from your news? Why is that? Is it only news if it fits in your personal world view?
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As I was asking, do they have stringers hanging out looking desperately for Muslim cranks to quote?
No desperation required. These “cranks” seem to be in abundant supply. In your opinion, what qualifies as newsworthy?
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I doubt it. This was reported by the Jerusalem Post who does monitor Hamas TV, for valid reasons:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

Bottom like, is that a Hamas member of Parliament and Imam did, in fact, say this. So it is valid news.
There's an awful lot of 'valid' news in the world but the world of Muslim cranks is much more fun, I expect, and there's probably an endless appetite amongst the American Right for cranky Muslims - bit like scary bedtime stories.
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No desperation required. These “cranks” seem to be in abundant supply. In your opinion, what qualifies as newsworthy?
I didn't say it wasn't 'newsworthy', I just asked whether people like Fox chased around after Muslim cranks, eccentrics and clinically psychotic desperately looking for quotes to frighten Americans with a taste for such things.
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There's an awful lot of 'valid' news in the world but the world of Muslim cranks is much more fun, I expect, and there's probably an endless appetite amongst the American Right for cranky Muslims - bit like scary bedtime stories.
Except this bedtime story has killed thousands of people.
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