Papal Mass in DC (was it me or was the music crazy?) - Page 2

Pax2u · #16 Apr 17, '08, 9:51 am

The Mass is always sublime. It is the music we're talking about here!

b_justb · #17 Apr 17, '08, 9:54 am

NEWSFLASH:

EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT!

CAF Declares Pope's Masses - 'Not Good Enough'

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Brownginger · #18 Apr 17, '08, 9:59 am

Thankfully, I did not watch all of the Mass, because I had read that pro-abortion members of Congress were going to receive the Holy Eucharist. I cannot say how angry that makes me. I did hear the final selections which seemed beautiful. But when I heard a commentator on Fox News say that the music was a little different, I knew what had happened and it made me even angrier, until it made me happy

As has been stated here already, now the Holy Father knows, first hand. Even in this setting, Mass may not become an ecumenical happening. The music is part of the Mass and must be written for that purpose. Period. In my opinion the only "pastoral consideration" that may go into the decision as to what music prayers will be sung is will they contribute to the authenticity and validity and beauty of the Mass." There is so much to say about this, but this is not the time.

Is there a website where one may find a list of those who are masters in traditional litugical music? I would like to find those who would be able to judge new music for a very important competition. Thanks.

janet_baker76 · #19 Apr 17, '08, 10:03 am

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Originally Posted by Kevin42

I didn't think it was that bad. Both Jesus and His Vicar were both truly present. Sure some of the music wasn't that great, but focus on the most important part.

They publically humiliated the Holy Father.

Pax2u · #20 Apr 17, '08, 10:05 am

I haven't had a lot of time to digest it, but my thoughts are...the Holy Father is a guest in our country. When you invite a guest to your home, if you know they are a vegetarian who doesn't like sweets, you don't serve a big roast beef dinner with chocolate cake for dessert. That would be highly rude. I feel like that's what happened to the Holy Father in the planning of the liturgical music.

By the way, some of the pieces were fine...but some were NOT.

Ana · #21 Apr 17, '08, 10:05 am

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Originally Posted by b_justb

NEWSFLASH:

EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT!

CAF Declares Pope's Masses - 'Not Good Enough'

L O L

hee hee

Ana · #22 Apr 17, '08, 10:07 am

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Originally Posted by Pax2u

I haven't had a lot of time to digest it, but my thoughts are...the Holy Father is a guest in our country. When you invite a guest to your home, if you know they are a vegetarian who doesn't like sweets, you don't serve a big roast beef dinner with chocolate cake for dessert. That would be highly rude. I feel like that's what happened to the Holy Father in the planning of the liturgical music.

By the way, some of the pieces were fine...but some were NOT.

That'a a really good analogy. I mean it's not hard to find out our Holy Father's favorite music is SACRED music. Somebody really dropped the ball and commited a major faux paus!

Kevin42 · #23 Apr 17, '08, 10:08 am

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Originally Posted by janet_baker76

They publically humiliated the Holy Father.

Yes I realize that. I admit that I was rather surprised (not in a good way) when I saw the camera go to the choir and show some people playing guitars and when I heard some of the music. However, I just think at any mass - while there may be things that need to be "fixed" - I think we should always do everything we can to focus on Jesus and The Word while attending mass. I think we must always do our best and, even if it takes work, we must focus mentally so that we do not let human silliness detract from the joy our Lord brings us.

Ana · #24 Apr 17, '08, 10:08 am

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Originally Posted by janet_baker76

They publically humiliated the Holy Father.

I think they humiliated themselves. *I* was humiliated and I only watched it.

Ana · #25 Apr 17, '08, 10:11 am

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Originally Posted by Kevin42

I think we must always do our best and, even if it takes work, we must focus mentally so that we do not let human silliness detract from the joy our Lord brings us.

Yes, and especially if the POPE is coming to preside over said Mass, they should have paid extra attention to planning the music. I like all kinds of music, and this was just a plain mess. It's not like the Pope comes everyday, he (and the laity) shouldn't have had to endure that horrible NOISE during the celebration of the Eucharist, during that extra special Mass.

Who knows when he is coming again?

Pax2u · #26 Apr 17, '08, 10:13 am

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Originally Posted by Kevin42

However, I just think at any mass - while there may be things that need to be "fixed" - I think we should always do everything we can to focus on Jesus and The Word while attending mass. I think we must always do our best and, even if it takes work, we must focus mentally so that we do not let human silliness detract from the joy our Lord brings us.

I agree with you on this, Kevin!

Kevin42 · #27 Apr 17, '08, 10:15 am

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Originally Posted by Ana

Yes, and especially if the POPE is coming to preside over said Mass, they should have paid extra attention to planning the music. I like all kinds of music, and this was just a plain mess. It's not like the Pope comes everyday, he (and the laity) shouldn't have had to endure that horrible NOISE during the celebration of the Eucharist, during that extra special Mass.

Who knows when he is coming again?

Yes, I do agree completly. While I do hope he does come back again so that I can actually see him in person, the likelihood of that happening does not seem very high. I am watching an encore presentation of the mass on EWTN at the moment and the Pope is entering on his popemobile. At least we got a beautiful performance of Holy God We Praise Thy Name before the mass?

irisheyes66 · #28 Apr 17, '08, 10:28 am

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I had read that pro-abortion members of Congress were going to receive the Holy Eucharist. :

Did this really happen?

I almost puked yesterday when, at the reception on the south lawn of the White House, Nancy Pelosi dropped to her knee and kissed the Pope's hand.

:vomit:

qubica · #29 Apr 17, '08, 10:38 am

A telling moment in the Liturgical Music was during the Communion when the choir/band performed (and I mean performed) the gospel style song. After it was done, many people broke into applause -- during Communion, a time of reverent contemplation and thankfulness of the Eucharist.

It is a statement that in many ways, the liturgy of the Holy Sacrafice of the Mass in the American Catholic Church is aping Protestant worship and it's appeal to emotional performances that delight our baser instincts at an emotional level. It's not the words of the hymns, it's that catchy rhythm and dynamic buildup that get us all up and clapping....fdelighting in and for ourselves.

I say this as a revert to the Catholic Church after 20 years in Protestant music ministry, often performing such music which is GOOD - just not good enough for the Mass, and often with an
undue focus that leads one away from contemplation and into a self-centered response to pleasing rhythms and novelty.

Dominus Vobiscus

mom of ten · #30 Apr 17, '08, 10:39 am

To All of You, Friends in Christ,

I spent half of the Mass crying because the Holy Father came here, only to be insulted by music which he, himself has CONDEMNED in the Liturgy, time and time again.

My 17 year old son went to that Mass...for days, we have been discussing this issue...and I kept telling him how happy I was that he would FINALLY hear sacred music as the Holy Father sees fit....and then I turned on my TV...I can only imagine the conversations my son and I will have upon his return.

The two GOOD things for me...that I checked in with this forum; and CLEARLY see that MANY OTHERS were outraged and ashamed and saddened as well............and that I now know (thanks to that info from one of the posters), that the Holy Father DID NOT approve that "musical circus".

THANK YOU ALL for renewing my HOPE that there ARE still people who want to hear SACRED music at the Mass.

Judy