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Old Nov 22, '04, 10:36 am
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Why do people "beat their chests" three times during the Lamb of God? What does it symbolize? I also notice that not many people do it....is it optional?
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Old Nov 22, '04, 10:40 am
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My parents do it so I do. Im only 18 but I think it might ve a Pre VCII thing.
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Old Nov 22, '04, 11:05 am
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It is either a penitential practice carried over from pre-Vatican II or else a transferral of the breast-beating from the Confiteor, where the language is no longer threefold and thus does not as easily accomodate the practice (it used to be "through my fault, my fault, my most grievous fault). In either case, it reminds us of our sin and need of the redemptive sacrifice of Christ.
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Old Nov 22, '04, 11:21 am
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It is a penitential practice. You would find this to be the norm at the Indult Masses.
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Old Nov 22, '04, 11:30 am
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Luke 18:13

But thetax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, `God, be merciful to me a sinner!'

The gesture goes with the sentiment: I am not worthy . . .
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Old Nov 22, '04, 11:35 am
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Luke 18:13
But thetax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, `God, be merciful to me a sinner!'

The gesture is one of humility.
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It is a penitential practice. You would find this to be the norm at the Indult Masses.

Isn't it done at the "Lord I am not worthy" rather than the Agnus Dei in the indult Mass?

A number of people still do this at the "Lord I am not worthy" even in the NO. I just thought that some people "misplaced" it to the "Agnus Dei" because of the 3 fold repetition.
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Old Nov 22, '04, 2:02 pm
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In my current Daily Roman Missal, it still prescribes this. We do it, or OUGHT to do it, because that's what the rubrics prescribe. In fact, the Missal has both Latin and English. The Latin still says : "mea culpa, mea culpa, mea máxima culpa." (my fault, my fault, my most grievious fault), although the English translation is "I have sinned through my own fault ...".
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Old Nov 22, '04, 2:06 pm
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According to the catechesis of Archbishop Chaput of Denver:
http://www.archden.org/archbishop/do...02_liturgy.htm
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The priest completes the Penitential Rite with words of absolution. Of course, this is not sacramental absolution, and it doesn’t forgive serious sin. While many Catholics make the sign of the cross in response at this point, the correct gesture during the Confiteor is to strike our breast when we say “...through my own fault”. By this, we further prepare ourselves to celebrate the sacred mysteries.
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Old Nov 22, '04, 2:16 pm
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From the US Catholic Bishops'
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http://www.usccb.org/liturgy/girm/bul3.shtml
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During the Confiteor the action of striking our breasts at the words through my own fault can strengthen my awareness that my sin is my fault.
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Why do people "beat their chests" three times during the Lamb of God? What does it symbolize? I also notice that not many people do it....is it optional?
because we were taught this way when we made our first communions in the 50s or earlier, and we never got the memo about them changing or dropping the gesture
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Old Nov 22, '04, 4:45 pm
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Isn't it done at the "Lord I am not worthy" rather than the Agnus Dei in the indult Mass?
Both places. The TLM is a "whole body prayer experience."
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Old Nov 22, '04, 4:56 pm
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Why do people "beat their chests" three times during the Lamb of God? What does it symbolize? I also notice that not many people do it....is it optional?
As with many of the changes after Vat II, much of the Latin was dropped, or the "new" translations were horrible.

If anyone ever has a chance to at least read the Latin & English from the TLM, you could not help but see what has been lost in the prayers (the true active participation) by switching to the NO Mass.

Instead we have a permissive "Protestant" style Sunday-go-to-meetin' instead of the Mass of the last dozen or more centuries. You know, where the celebrant faces the people standing at a table, speaks in the venacular, has three readings, lay readers, and offers a communion service under two species while "active" music chosen by a lay committee plays on. If you think that is the Protestant service from the last 100+ years you are right. If you think that is the Catholic service from the last 40 years you are also right. Ah...... being so ecumenical so we can "build" on what we have in common
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Old Nov 22, '04, 7:19 pm
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Default Re: Beating the chest during Lamb of God

In the old Mass it was done at the "Domine, non sum dignus," (Lord, I am not worthy), which was repeated three times. Now, perhaps because the 'Lord I am not worthy' is de-emphasized and said only once, some people have perhaps transferred the action to the Agnus Dei (Lamb of God), which IS repeated three times.
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Old Nov 23, '04, 10:52 am
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In the Indult Mass this is done at the Confiteor (mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa), at the Consecration, at the Agnus Dei, and the Domine non sum dignus. Some Catholics also do this when they pray the Salve Regina at the words, "O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary".
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