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Old May 28, '08, 12:22 pm
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THANK YOU

Prayer to the Virgin Mary (never known to fail)
Oh most beautiful flower of Mt. Carmel, fruit wine splenderous of
Heaven, Blessed Mother of the Son of God, Immaculate Virgin, assist
me in my necessity. Oh Star of the Sea. Help me and show me herein
you are my Mother. Oh Holy Mary, Mother of God, Queen of Heaven
and Earth, I humbly beseech you from the bottom of my heart to
succour me in my necessity.
There is none that can withstand your power. Oh show me here you
are my Mother. Oh Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have
recourse to Thee (3 times). Thank you for mercy towards me and
mine. Amen. This prayer must be said for 3 consecutive days and after
that the request will be granted and the prayer must be published.

THANK YOU HOLY MOTHER AND ST. PHILOMENA FOR GRANTING MY REQUEST. AS PROMISED, I SHALL CHRISTEN MY FIRST BORN AFTER BOTH OF YOU.
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Old May 28, '08, 4:49 pm
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I vouch for this prayer. The first time I prayed it, I was in a panic, and I was physically consoled by Our Lady.
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Old May 28, '08, 4:57 pm
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It's a beautiful prayer, one which I've said myself, but the whole idea of saying 'never known to fail' or feeling that you have to promise something in return (like christening the first born) smacks a little of a superstitious attitude towards God's providence and Mary's intercession.
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Old May 28, '08, 5:28 pm
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Then how come there is the "Unfailing prayer to Saint Anthony"?

I don't believe saying it won't fail is superstitious.
Nor is being grateful of the help one has received.
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Old May 28, '08, 5:44 pm
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Then how come there is the "Unfailing prayer to Saint Anthony"?

I don't believe saying it won't fail is superstitious.
Nor is being grateful of the help one has received.
You're entitled to your opinion on the gratitude thing - as for saying it won't fail, to say this is heavily implying (if not actually saying) that God is like a vending machine who MUST provide exactly what you want if you put in the right coins (sorry, prayers).

God doesn't work that way, He only answers prayers that are in accord with His will, which means sometimes if not frequently He says no to us, no matter which prayer we use.

Here endeth the lesson
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Old May 28, '08, 9:17 pm
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I think more often than not, God says no to me. And I'm sure people here feel the same way about their prayers. If not, I truly will be surprised

And Lily is completely right, it has to be in line with God's will. Of course these prayers when published are assumed that the request be in line with God's will.

You can't exactly pray for a Ferrari just because you want to have a cool car and expect to get it. If anything, prayers will strengthen and guide you in the right path so that you may achieve what you pray for.

Of course the intentions differ, praying for someone's wellbeing leaves you not much power and therefore Mary's intercession will occur since you can't really achieve such a thing.
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Old May 28, '08, 11:03 pm
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Hi all

I like this little prayer to Mary and hope it is unfailing.
So I will try to pray it for 3 days and let you know how it goes. Right now I am expecting fertility surgery and really hope I will come out of it with fully restored eggleaders and that everything will go well so that I can soon become a mom
You guys are very welcome to pray for me too. I hope with all my heart.
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You're entitled to your opinion on the gratitude thing - as for saying it won't fail, to say this is heavily implying (if not actually saying) that God is like a vending machine who MUST provide exactly what you want if you put in the right coins (sorry, prayers).

God doesn't work that way, He only answers prayers that are in accord with His will, which means sometimes if not frequently He says no to us, no matter which prayer we use.

Here endeth the lesson
Vending machine?
far from it

However, I'm simply bringing in other sources. I have prayer books and cards that have the "unfailing" prayer to St. Anthony. So obviously calling a prayer "unfailing" or saying its "never known to fail" is not bad.
Unless you can prove me wrong?
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Vending machine?
far from it

However, I'm simply bringing in other sources. I have prayer books and cards that have the "unfailing" prayer to St. Anthony. So obviously calling a prayer "unfailing" or saying its "never known to fail" is not bad.
Unless you can prove me wrong?
What she was trying to get at was, the prayer is unfailing if it is in God's will as it is obvious. And most of the prayers are often used by people in desperate situations and God in his mercy will respond through the intercession of saints and allow relief.

You can't really pray for stuff purely there fore your own enjoyment. I think that is what she meant and Lily's statements are correct regarding the matter.
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What she was trying to get at was, the prayer is unfailing if it is in God's will as it is obvious. And most of the prayers are often used by people in desperate situations and God in his mercy will respond through the intercession of saints and allow relief.

You can't really pray for stuff purely there fore your own enjoyment. I think that is what she meant and Lily's statements are correct regarding the matter.
Something like that. If by 'unfailing' means, as it seems to, that you will definitely get what you ask for if you ask for it with that prayer - well that does make God nothing more than a vending machine.

You may need money and pray for it - God's will may be that you get more money, His will may instead be that you stay poor for a while (to teach you detachment from material possessions, poverty of spirit, y'know!).

By saying the prayer is 'unfailing' it implies that you're guaranteed to get the money if you say the prayer - and really, what else could 'unfailing' mean? If you mean to be happy with whatever answer God gives then don't misleadingly say that the prayer is unfailing.

I don't see that the fact prayer cards and prayer books say as much makes it right - they're not infallible Papal pronouncements or anything.
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I think the first line is supposed to be, "fruitful vine, splendor of Heaven."
Of course there's a right way and a wrong way to use prayers such as these. It's not a magic charm, but sometimes, when you're in dire straits and you feel overwhelmed, you need a prayer like this to bolster your faith.
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Well of course it is excluding things that go against his will.

Perhaps it is also up to us to be responsible with these prayers? kinda like dialing 911 for emergencies?
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Something like that. If by 'unfailing' means, as it seems to, that you will definitely get what you ask for if you ask for it with that prayer - well that does make God nothing more than a vending machine.

You may need money and pray for it - God's will may be that you get more money, His will may instead be that you stay poor for a while (to teach you detachment from material possessions, poverty of spirit, y'know!).

By saying the prayer is 'unfailing' it implies that you're guaranteed to get the money if you say the prayer - and really, what else could 'unfailing' mean? If you mean to be happy with whatever answer God gives then don't misleadingly say that the prayer is unfailing.

I don't see that the fact prayer cards and prayer books say as much makes it right - they're not infallible Papal pronouncements or anything.
Agree- because something is in print does not make it true.

These prayers smack of superstition and give more fuel to the anti-Catholics.

Please, ask for the intercession of the Saints and Mary, but, do not treat God as a vending machine.
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Agree- because something is in print does not make it true.

These prayers smack of superstition and give more fuel to the anti-Catholics.

Please, ask for the intercession of the Saints and Mary, but, do not treat God as a vending machine.
I have this

Title: St. Anthony Novena [booklet]
Nihil Obstat: John M. Fearns, S.T.D.
Imprimatur: Francis Cardinal Spellman Archbishop of New York
Printed in Italy
Page 21: Unfailing prayer to St. Anthony

I also have two prayer cards.
One came by itself with the unfailing prayer on the back.
The other WAS the unfailing prayer. I believe I got it with a gift on my Confirmation. Either it came with a medal or a Cross...I can't remember which.

Same prayer
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I have this

Title: St. Anthony Novena [booklet]
Nihil Obstat: John M. Fearns, S.T.D.
Imprimatur: Francis Cardinal Spellman Archbishop of New York
Printed in Italy
Page 21: Unfailing prayer to St. Anthony

I also have two prayer cards.
One came by itself with the unfailing prayer on the back.
The other WAS the unfailing prayer. I believe I got it with a gift on my Confirmation. Either it came with a medal or a Cross...I can't remember which.

Same prayer
And I've told you, prayer cards and prayer books (even ones with Imprimaturs) AREN'T infallible pronouncements on faith. Imprimaturs, being granted by single bishops without consultation with the Pope or a Church Council, AREN'T infallible acts! Infallibility only comes with Bishops teaching in union with the Holy Father and the Church Councils.
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