So is it impossible to argue against same-sex marriage?

Larowyn · #1 Jun 9, '08, 10:38 pm

Seems that way. Apparently Catholics are just hypocrites out to deny others of their rights. I'm unable to beat any arguments on this one forum.

gmarie21 · #2 Jun 10, '08, 5:14 am

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Originally Posted by Larowyn

Seems that way. Apparently Catholics are just hypocrites out to deny others of their rights. I'm unable to beat any arguments on this one forum.

A hypocrites is someone who, when sins, states that their sin is okay and does not acknowledge their wrongdoing. A sinner who's not a hypocrite is someone who sins but does acknowledge their wrongdoing (and repents) and continues to promote the Truth. A hypocrite says that birth control use is okay. A sinner repents, goes to confession, and lets everyone know that they were wrong in their actions of using birth control (not for medical reasons) and tell others why they were wrong.

LSK · #3 Jun 10, '08, 6:08 am

I do not understand your post.

Catholics are hypocrites because YOU cannot beat any arguments on this forum?

But the title of your post is that is it IMPOSSIBLE to argue AGAINST same-sex marriage?

Perhaps it is because it's so early in the morning here, but I don't get it....how can it be impossible to argue anything at all? I can argue that my watch is a piece of chocolate cake if I want to - now, my argument may not be very successful and I may not convince anyone of my premise, but I am certainly able to argue the point.

And if you mean that, because the Church is made for sinners, we cannot argue against committing sins then that is a false premise. That would be the same as saying that someone who dyes their hair blonde cannot argue the genetic reality that some people are natural blondes.

Sorry, I guess I am just not getting the point of your post. Perhaps you can help me out?

PaulinVA · #4 Jun 10, '08, 6:50 am

I believe that Larowyn says that other people perceive us as hypocrites because we allow marriage for ourselves but deny it to others.

It is, indeed, very hard to argue against same sex marriage using Church teaching with those who do not believe Church teaching. The secular arguments against ssm aren't really that compelling, frankly.

Ana · #5 Jun 10, '08, 7:11 am

I think they should go ahead and be allowed to get married. But they need to give up on The Church sanctioning such marriages. It ain't gonna happen. The Church doesn't make laws according to popular vote. If you want same sex marriage to succeed, you are barking up the wrong tree to expect the Church to compromise herself. Stick to the legislative arena. If the reason they are looking for Church approval, is because they are looking for God's approval, then I don't know what to say. I don't see how the Bible can be more clear about homosexual relationships. Can't they read?

Sailor Kenshin · #6 Jun 10, '08, 7:48 am

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Originally Posted by Larowyn

Seems that way. Apparently Catholics are just hypocrites out to deny others of their rights. I'm unable to beat any arguments on this one forum.

It should be impossible to argue FOR same-sex marriage. Maybe we are in the end times after all.

Larowyn · #7 Jun 10, '08, 8:44 am

All of my arguments were countered by how bigoted and hateful the Church and anyone against it is. I can't think of anything else to argue.

gmarie21 · #8 Jun 10, '08, 9:08 am

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Originally Posted by Larowyn

All of my arguments were countered by how bigoted and hateful the Church and anyone against it is. I can't think of anything else to argue.

How about Natural Law or the obvious physical differences between men and women?

JimG · #9 Jun 10, '08, 9:13 am

It is impossible to argue against "same sex marriage" because same sex marriage is an impossibility

Nickkname · #10 Jun 10, '08, 9:16 am

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Originally Posted by Larowyn

Seems that way. Apparently Catholics are just hypocrites out to deny others of their rights. I'm unable to beat any arguments on this one forum.

Oh joy, a trolling thread.

onaquest · #11 Jun 10, '08, 9:24 am

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Originally Posted by Ana

I think they should go ahead and be allowed to get married. But they need to give up on The Church sanctioning such marriages. It ain't gonna happen. The Church doesn't make laws according to popular vote. If you want same sex marriage to succeed, you are barking up the wrong tree to expect the Church to compromise herself. Stick to the legislative arena. If the reason they are looking for Church approval, is because they are looking for God's approval, then I don't know what to say. I don't see how the Bible can be more clear about homosexual relationships. Can't they read?

I find myself thinking the same way. Let them legislate and let the Church speak the truth she is destined to speak. But that leads me to censure protesters of same sex marriages, the ones who stand outside and blast gay people with their views. I know they are not necessarily Catholic but all Christians who follow the law of God should trust in it. Maybe I'm bordering on apathy. Because my mind goes to all those who keep vigil at abortion clinics and I know they have done some good persuading women to change their minds.

Michael Neal · #12 Jun 10, '08, 9:27 am

Even if you look at the concept biologically, homosexuality serves no purpose in nature, it is a defect. The biological argument is actually cruel in comparison to the Church's teaching.

Sina · #13 Jun 10, '08, 9:29 am

I think if you are not religious/faithful to God then it is hard to understand why same sex marriage is wrong for some people...

Ted in Charlott · #14 Jun 10, '08, 9:31 am

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Originally Posted by Larowyn

All of my arguments were countered by how bigoted and hateful the Church and anyone against it is. I can't think of anything else to argue.

Wait a minute, I think some of us are confused, maybe me included.

You are arguing FOR the Catholic Church and her stance AGAINST same sex marriage?

Please clarify, thanks

Larowyn · #15 Jun 10, '08, 9:37 am

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Originally Posted by gmarie21

How about Natural Law or the obvious physical differences between men and women?

Argued that already. Response was that it didn't matter what consenting adults did in private and that Natural Law is just an excuse used to control other people.

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Originally Posted by JimG

It is impossible to argue against "same sex marriage" because same sex marriage is an impossibility

They fail to see how.

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Originally Posted by Ted in Charlott

You are arguing FOR the Catholic Church and her stance AGAINST same sex marriage?

Yes, obviously. Why wouldn't I?