Will more woman make it to heaven than men?

[teachccd]

Originally Posted by christcnection1

Didn't Mary play a unique role in bringing us all back? I'm not sure this point has any bearing on my question.

It was tongue in cheek......... Sorry..........

Anyway, your question has no answer unless God posts to this forum. All other is just speculation.................teachccd

[teachccd]

Originally Posted by Deacon Ed B

I have read a few threads and posts since I have been a member of this forum, but I truly have to admit, this is probably one of the most outlandish topics I have yet seen. Any way either sex answers, will get up the ire of the opposite sex. And it is an answer known only by God. Any thing else is pure jestful speculation with no way to know the answer and only engender the war of the sexes all over again.

People, only God Knows

Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

I could not agree more..........

[christcnection1]

Originally Posted by LilyM

Not a bit - 'multitude' just means 'many', not 'majority'. I think men and women each have their own particular advantages and their own particular temptations and that it will be even (or roughly even).

Not necessarily. Doing the corporal and spiritual works of mercy as Jesus bid us is putting the faith into practice. 'Letting your light shine' is more like evanglization - linking it publicly to your Christian or Catholic faith. Which is optional (remember Jesus also said 'when you give, do not let your right hand know what your left is doing, and your father who sees all that is done in secret will reward you').

I think plenty of men do the works of mercy but adopt more of the 'your father who sees what is done in secret will reward you' attitude than the 'let your light shine' attitude.

I can't disagree with any of your perspectives.

I wouldn't be surprised if the number of men and woman was roughly the same. However, I would be surprised if men significantly outnumbered woman.

You mentioned how many male canonized Saints there were. The flip side to that is that there are far more male murderers, rapists, and criminals in general.

Though I don't necessarily see it this way, one might conclude that men have the greater capacity for the best and the worst - essentially the extremes of righteousness and wickedness.

[christcnection1]

Originally Posted by teachccd

It was tongue in cheek......... Sorry..........

Anyway, your question has no answer unless God posts to this forum. All other is just speculation.................teachccd

Of course. It's most certainly speculation.

[christcnection1]

Originally Posted by Deacon Ed B

I have read a few threads and posts since I have been a member of this forum, but I truly have to admit, this is probably one of the most outlandish topics I have yet seen. Any way either sex answers, will get up the ire of the opposite sex. And it is an answer known only by God. Any thing else is pure jestful speculation with no way to know the answer and only engender the war of the sexes all over again.

People, only God Knows

Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

I agree that this is speculation. However, to suggest that this has to pin one sex against the other presumes participants have a vested interest in proving their sex better than the other. Thus far this has not been the trend in the discussion. I do not see this as a debate for male vs. female; the majority of people here are not that childish.

Yes, only God knows. But the root of the question is an interesting one in my opinion. What is the heart of what we are talking about? Well, there are many things. There are sociological, cultural, psychological, biological, and numerous spiritual realities converging here. If we look at this issue on the surface, frankly, I think it's a bit silly. If we look at this from some of these issues, perhaps all of us can glean something about ourselves.

This issue doesn't have to divide. On the contrary, it has the potential to unite and to edify. I have found that some of the posts were quite insightful.

Had you known that this was how I was approaching this topic, perhaps your comments would not have been so abrasive. I consider myself a very reasonable and caring individual. It's not my goal to promote "outlandish" topics that will "engender the war of the sexes all over again."

This is not about a competition. We desire all people to get to heaven. Maybe this discussion can collectively enlighten us in helping to reach that blessed goal.

[christcnection1]

Originally Posted by CuriousInIL

It is my understanding that there are now, and for many, many years have been, more women than men. If that is in fact true, my assumption is that there will also be more women in heaven. I see no reason to think that one sex or the other will preferentially get to heaven.

No, not preferentially, but perhaps by virtue of the possibility that one sex, for one reason or another, happened to walk more closely in God's friendship. Of course God desires that all people get to heaven; this is our hope too.

[Caesar517]

Originally Posted by christcnection1

IThough I don't necessarily see it this way, one might conclude that men have the greater capacity for the best and the worst - essentially the extremes of righteousness and wickedness.

I would speculate that this is accurate, though I am only familliar with the burdens men carry. For an informed opinion, one would need to see from both a male and female perspective.

[NTOT]

I would be wary of taking any kind of comfort in thinking one is a shoe in for heaven based on ones gender. Could make for a rude awakening.

[thistle]

Originally Posted by Predikant

I would say that it is especially hard for women today to be saved, since many of them are fooled and are following the statutes of demons. None becomes Saved just because they go to Church, you be firstly and only Saved by how you live your life and what Faith you have.

Read chapter 27, book 7 - www.saintbirgitta.com


For them that are to lazy to read, God states, that painting your face for shallowness, and for making other lust at you and for making yourself more beautiful than you where created, will lead to Hell unless this statute of demons be changed.

Also he says, woman and men (this be especially true for woman) that dress in a way that you show of your body (by wearing tight clothes that show of butt or breast), for the reason to make other lust at you, will lead you to Hell unless you change your ways before death and understand your faults and repents.

Also, those that have sex out of lust (not for making children, but for fulfilling the desires of the flesh invented by the devil), this goes for both married and unmarried pople, will receive in eternal reward the poison they so dearly desired.

If you do not believe me, or call me (not my words but God's) liar, reads his words for yourself and see who you call liar. These words are acknowledged as infallible truth by the Church already, she was canonized as Patron Saint of Europe by John Paul II, she was canonized by the church in the 1300 century also.


You can read about chastity and why it must be kept to enter Heaven here:

www.saintbirgitta.com - book 1, chapter 26
www.saintbirgitta.com - book 1, chapter 9
www.saintbirgitta.com - book 1, chapter 13
www.saintbirgitta.com - book 1, chapter 16

The canonisation of a saint (which is infallible) does not mean all her writings are infallible. Also any messages etc are PRIVATE revelations and not part of the Deposit of Faith meaning they are NOT equal to Holy Scripture and do not have to be believed. You are Dutch Reformed Church so what would you know about infallibilty?

[whatevergirl]

I think it's interesting that some feel that women are somehow destined for heaven, above men. No one earns heaven, as we all know...Jesus died for everyone--and we are fallen. We are all weak sinners, in need of Jesus' love, and grace. Equally interesting, is that there is this notion out there that women are somehow more pure, or have less trouble with sin. Women sin just as much as men--our sins may vary, but there are plenty of women who struggle with all types of sin--ranging from sexual in nature, to non sexual in nature. I'm confused why anyone would think women would have an 'easier chance' to 'making' it to heaven, than men?

[Deacon Ed B]

Who in the world can argue with this response.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

[Marc Aupiais]

God works in realities, not chance- for yers, Jewish people had better chance, and now, it seems women and darker skinned people, I say this as someone with a lighter skin, but still part french, part irish, etc, by hich I mean that some countries, bloodlines, others seem more common, but not having better or worse chance, chnce is a human thing, God is not fallible.

[christcnection1]

Originally Posted by whatevergirl

I think it's interesting that some feel that women are somehow destined for heaven, above men. No one earns heaven, as we all know...Jesus died for everyone--and we are fallen. We are all weak sinners, in need of Jesus' love, and grace. Equally interesting, is that there is this notion out there that women are somehow more pure, or have less trouble with sin. Women sin just as much as men--our sins may vary, but there are plenty of women who struggle with all types of sin--ranging from sexual in nature, to non sexual in nature. I'm confused why anyone would think women would have an 'easier chance' to 'making' it to heaven, than men?

The first part I am in total agreement with. I don't believe woman are "destined" for heaven above men. And of course, no one earns heaven; it's God's grace and mercy. God wills all get to heaven.

However, in my experience, and perhaps I'm wrong, it seems that men struggle with sin (and more serious sin) than woman. In my understanding, men struggle with pride, adultery, murder, and other evils with greater intensity. I would suggest there is both qualitative and quantitative evidence for this.

Furthermore, as a general rule, it seems that more woman take the faith more seriously. This seems true in Latin American cultures. I can see this at the Confession line at Catholic Church's in my area. (I believe it's men's pride and sloth that discourages them from going, not because they don't need it.) It's also often reflected in numbers at Mass and many church events.

Woman indeed have their struggles, many of which are difficult for men to understand. Again, I believe a case can be made that woman tend to deal with their problems better. Men are more likely to act out violently, become abusive, and even self-destructive. If I'm not mistaken, men are much more likely to be successful in committing suicide.

Even if these statements are factual, that doesn't necessarily mean that more woman will make it to heaven than men, though I do believe it's possible. But I do believe it reveals some significant differences in our makeup, whether it be nature, nurture, spiritual, or all of these things.

[Augustine]

As someone else mentioned, given that slightly more girls than boys are born, that girls are more prone to be aborted than boys, everything else being equal, yes, more women than men make it to Heaven.

QED

[LilyM]

Originally Posted by thistle

The canonisation of a saint (which is infallible) does not mean all her writings are infallible. Also any messages etc are PRIVATE revelations and not part of the Deposit of Faith meaning they are NOT equal to Holy Scripture and do not have to be believed. You are Dutch Reformed Church so what would you know about infallibilty?

I find it incredibly funny that a Dutch Reformed church member would be so obsessed with the writings of a Catholic saint anyway - if you really believe what she says to be infallible then how about you become Catholic as she was, eh mate?