H.L.S. (Hook, Line & Sinker) Club

[JLongoria]

Originally Posted by christcnection1

I can rightfully claim to be the very first member in that I was the first to put it on my sig. But I have to be totally honest; I have done next to nothing to promote the HLS club! I am amazed how quickly it has taken off.

Haha, I'm pretty sure I was the second! :P

And welcome to the madness, Blue Eyes!

[christcnection1]

Originally Posted by JLongoria

Haha, I'm pretty sure I was the second! :P

And welcome to the madness, Blue Eyes!

Originally Posted by GemmaRose

Great !

We're charter members.

God bless.

Actually, I think I was the first and GemmaRose was the second.

...But you might be right. This goes back to the 20th of June, 2008.

As far as I'm concerned, she's the one who should get credit for promoting it, whether I was first or not.

Haha... whatever.... silliness

[jofa]

Originally Posted by Spirithound

Welcome! Feel free to identify your membership in your sig.

Um, I'm still not sure how to identify myself as part of the HLS Club on my signature (but I was able to add a nice picture to it!)
Sandra

[jofa]

Oh, man! Where's my picture????? Darn - it didn't work!

[erinelf88]

Can I join? Not officially Catholic yet, so I'm not sure if you'd all want me to wait until my confirmation...

[kristie_m]

Originally Posted by erinelf88

Can I join? Not officially Catholic yet, so I'm not sure if you'd all want me to wait until my confirmation...

Welcome home Erin!! And welcome to the HLS club. As long as you've been bought it all...hook, line and sinker....you're in! Will be praying for you as you swim the Tiber!

[erinelf88]

Thanks! Your prayers are much appreciated!

[happilycatholic]

Count me in. Yay!

[grannymh]

Originally Posted by Ghoti

What exact bits do I have to believe in? And how much?

E.g., if I'm required to believe in EENS, am I allowed to believe in Baptism of Blood or Desire, or do I have to go full-Feeney?

What are EENS? and what is a full-Feeney? Sounds like the "little people" in Ireland.

[Spirithound]

Originally Posted by grannymh

What are EENS? and what is a full-Feeney? Sounds like the "little people" in Ireland.

EENS = Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus, "Outside the Church there is no Salvation"

A "full-Feeney" (although I'm not sure how acceptable that term is) would be someone who says "Outside the Church there is no Salvation", and takes it to mean that explicit membership in the Catholic Church is absolutely necessary for salvation, otherwise the person goes to hell.

[JLongoria]

Originally Posted by grannymh

What are EENS? and what is a full-Feeney? Sounds like the "little people" in Ireland.

EENS means extra ecclesiam nulla salus, meaning "outside the Church, there is no salvation". It is an actual Catholic doctrine, however various theologians have taken it upon themselves to give it different meanings.

Fr. Feeny believed that one had to be a fully professing Catholic in order to obtain salvation; however, this interpretation is contrary to the teaching of the Church (a sedevacantist would obviously argue otherwise) in light of the numerous Popes using this phrase. A number of Popes simultaneously taught that those persons who are not visibly Catholic might still yet be saved by what might be called a baptism of desire (baptismus flaminis), or even by the baptism by blood (baptismus sanguinis) which enabled the sainthood of many non-baptized persons in the most earliest times of the Church.

The official teaching is expressed in Section 1, Article 2, Part VI of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, most especially in paragraphs 1258-1260.

Hope that helps! Haha.

[grannymh]

Originally Posted by JLongoria

EENS means extra ecclesiam nulla salus, meaning "outside the Church, there is no salvation". It is an actual Catholic doctrine, however various theologians have taken it upon themselves to give it different meanings.

Fr. Feeny believed that one had to be a fully professing Catholic in order to obtain salvation; however, this interpretation is contrary to the teaching of the Church (a sedevacantist would obviously argue otherwise) in light of the numerous Popes using this phrase. A number of Popes simultaneously taught that those persons who are not visibly Catholic might still yet be saved by what might be called a baptism of desire (baptismus flaminis), or even by the baptism by blood (baptismus sanguinis) which enabled the sainthood of many non-baptized persons in the most earliest times of the Church.

The official teaching is expressed in Section 1, Article 2, Part VI of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, most especially in paragraphs 1258-1260.

Hope that helps! Haha.

Yes, all the above info helps. It also jogged my memory, such as it is.

I looked up your reference. The actual paragraph which needs to be quoted above all others is paragraph 1257 last line.

Too many senior moments -- But isn't there another section in the Catechism that refers to Jesus Christ as Universal Savior? I know that in 2000, The Declaration "Dominus Iesus" [sic] On the Unicity [sic] and Salvific Universality of Jesus Christ and the Church" was published by the Vatican.

As I recall, it said that all Salvation comes through Jesus Christ. This is very different than saying: "outside the Church, there is no salvation"

Senior moment solved. I had mentioned the above declaration in an article on the Marks of the Catholic Church for our parish bulletin and actually (believe it or not) found a copy in my files. I listed CCC paragraphs 811-870 as one of the sources for my article.

Please check out at least paragraph 819 and let me know what you think. It still seems to me that I have seen another reference some place in the CCC.

Blessings,
granny

The quest is worthy of the adventures of the journey.

[FreedByTruth]

Hey, is it too late to join?

[JLongoria]

Originally Posted by FreedByTruth

Hey, is it too late to join?

Thank the Lord, it's never too late so long as you draw breath!

[Eddie Mac]

Can I play?

Eddie Mac.