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Old Jul 6, '08, 12:26 pm
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If a Pope becomes grossly immoral, can he be removed from his holy office? If so, how? If not, why?

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Well, we've had several hundreds of years worth of popes, and they have been good men. Well, mostly. I think there were spells when they weren't exactly men with high morals. But I don' see that happening any in this day and age. How to remove a pope? That would probably have to come to a meeting of all the cardinals and them taking care of it. They voted hin into office. But, like I said, I don't see that happening.

Oh, and there is a large number of people around him. I doubt he would have the TIME to get into any morally wrong stuff.
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As I understand it, under canon law a pope can resign; however, he cannot be removed even if he becomes physically incapacitated or I guess even morally bankrupt. I would suspect that since we believe God had chosen the man to be pope, man is not in the position to say, oops, God got it wrong. We also have assurance that the Holy Spirit protects the Church, even from a wayward pope, who is after all, still a man subjected to temptation and sin.
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As I understand it, under canon law a pope can resign; however, he cannot be removed even if he becomes physically incapacitated or I guess even morally bankrupt. I would suspect that since we believe God had chosen the man to be pope, man is not in the position to say, oops, God got it wrong. We also have assurance that the Holy Spirit protects the Church, even from a wayward pope, who is after all, still a man subjected to temptation and sin.
This is how I understand it as well.
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If a Pope becomes grossly immoral, can he be removed from his holy office? If so, how? If not, why?

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no there is no one on earth with authority to remove the pope from office.
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Wasn't this the subject of a thread about a year or so ago?
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It was once an issue ... back in Middle Ages. The Cardinals desired to remove a pope ... but, the pope resisted their efforts and successfully blocked the move.

The Cardinals realized that having only one year earlier selected that pope ... to now say their selection decision was flawed was an indictment upon themselves.
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I agree with Christy Beth. When would he have the time/opportunity to be naughty?

Bureaucracies being what they are, I doubt that there are very many persons in today's world whose lives are under more of a microscope than a pope.

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no there is no one on earth with authority to remove the pope from office.
This happens to be the case at this time, according to the canons.

But it is not true historically.
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Wasn't this the subject of a thread about a year or so ago?
More than likely, I seem to remember the question coming up a few times.
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I agree with Christy Beth. When would he have the time/opportunity to be naughty?

Bureaucracies being what they are, I doubt that there are very many persons in today's world whose lives are under more of a microscope than a pope.

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Today that is probably true. In past centuries it was the bureaucracies that made the naughtiness possible.

But is the only reason considered here that he be morally unfit? What about dementia, or heresy?

I know, I know, he's not supposed to be subject to heresy. But what if he's just plain incompetent?

No recourse?

My impression is there is no recourse. Thankfully this will never happen.

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If a Pope becomes grossly immoral, can he be removed from his holy office? If so, how? If not, why?

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Yes, he can.

The process is called "death." It has stricken every Pope, good or bad, at some point.

Grossly immoral Popes don't tend to die peacefully in bed for some reason.
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Yes, he can.

The process is called "death." It has stricken every Pope, good or bad, at some point.

Grossly immoral Popes don't tend to die peacefully in bed for some reason.
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Historically, there was an attempt to remove a Pope. It resulted in the Great Schism and was a terrible time for the Church. At one point, there were actually three claimants to the Papal office. A shameful time in Church history.
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Historically, there was an attempt to remove a Pope. It resulted in the Great Schism and was a terrible time for the Church. At one point, there were actually three claimants to the Papal office. A shameful time in Church history.
There have been several anti-Popes, but the Great Schism's direct cause went the other way---the Patriarch of Constantinople was in a snit with the Pope, miscommunication ensued, an embassy was sent from Rome to Constantinople which was promptly snubbed by the Patriarch, the Pope who'd sent the embassy died, and the ambassadors elected to craft their own bull of excommunication on the Patriarch. It would have been farce had it not been so tragic.

What I find really interesting is how often a Pope seemed to be just on the verge of pronouncing something we'd consider today to be heretical only to be prevented from doing so, sometimes by death. It truly is the office, not the man.
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