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Old Jul 18, '08, 12:03 am
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On Thursday 17th July on George Street in downtown Sydney I observed thousands of Muslim tracts discarded by WYD pilgrims as they headed towards the harbour foreshore to see pope Benedict XVIIth.

Are international Roman Catholic Youth unawares of the teachings of their own faith?

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day." (CCC)

Seems very uncatholic to me!

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Old Jul 18, '08, 12:11 am
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What would you expect them to do? read them??
We are not interested in Islam, we are Catholics.
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Old Jul 18, '08, 12:28 am
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What would you expect them to do? read them??
We are not interested in Islam, we are Catholics.
But they are part of the plan of salvation and WORSHIP the SAME GOD according to the Church.

Surely, the Christian thing to do would be to accept the tract, read it, file it in your personal copy of the catechism and wish them 'Peace be with you'

Just saw on our local TV the pope dialoging with an Imam-seemed all very friendly and ecumenical. How come the youth are not following the pope's example?
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Old Jul 18, '08, 12:43 am
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They could very well have accepted the tract and wished "Peace be with you." Maybe they just didn't feel the need to read anything about a false religion inspired by the devil, and treated the tract and its message the same way they would have treated any other garbage.

As to Islam being part of the plan of salvation, I'll let God take care of that.

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On Thursday 17th July on George Street in downtown Sydney I observed thousands of Muslim tracts discarded by WYD pilgrims as they headed towards the harbour foreshore to see pope Benedict XVIIth.

Are international Roman Catholic Youth unawares of the teachings of their own faith?

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day." (CCC)

Seems very uncatholic to me!
Thousands!! Really? I hope they were recycleble. One would wonder why Muslims would be handing out Muslim tracts to Catholics during WYD. What were the names of these tracts?
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Old Jul 18, '08, 8:19 pm
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On Thursday 17th July on George Street in downtown Sydney I observed thousands of Muslim tracts discarded by WYD pilgrims as they headed towards the harbour foreshore to see pope Benedict XVIIth.

Are international Roman Catholic Youth unawares of the teachings of their own faith?

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day." (CCC)

Seems very uncatholic to me!
What does the CCC say about the Church's relationship with the Jews? You would think that they are closer to us than Muslims, and I disagree with the CCC when it says that our relationship is closer to Muslims than to Jews. But the CCC is not infallible, though it is the current explanation of our Faith. But I disagree with CCC 841.
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[b]What does the CCC say about the Church's relationship with the Jews? You would think that they are closer to us than Muslims
Indeed they are. Look what the CCC says just 2 articles above article no 841.

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The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People, "the first to hear the Word of God." The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ", "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."
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and I disagree with the CCC when it says that our relationship is closer to Muslims than to Jews.
That's not true. Our relationship with the Jews is the closest. Read article no 839 (above). Muslims have been placed after the Jews. Look what it says in 841, "The plan of salvation also includes...".

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But the CCC is not infallible, though it is the current explanation of our Faith. But I disagree with CCC 841.
It is the church's teaching (1 Tim 3:15) and you cannot pick and choose what you want to believe if you're a Catholic.
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But they are part of the plan of salvation and WORSHIP the SAME GOD according to the Church.
No. They are not "part of the plan of salvation" in the sense that they have something to "contribute" to our salvation. They don't have anything to contribute to our salvation.

What the CCC says is that "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways" (839)

The church says that "The plan of salvation (God's plan, revealed in its fullness to the church, and not to Muslims) also includes....Muslims" (841)

And the Church does not say that they worship the "same" God as you have put it, but that "together with us they adore the one, merciful God". Obviously they do not know that God is a trinity. So although they worship one God, the Creator, whom we also worship, they do not know so much about him.

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Surely, the Christian thing to do would be to accept the tract, read it, file it in your personal copy of the catechism and wish them 'Peace be with you'
On what basis are you saying such a thing? How can we put the false doctrines of the Muslims in the Catechism?
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Just saw on our local TV the pope dialoging with an Imam-seemed all very friendly and ecumenical. How come the youth are not following the pope's example?
The gospel is to be proclaimed in love and not with hatred. Are those Muslims acting in love when they are distributing such blasphemous tracts?
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Seems very uncatholic to me!
It's because you misinterpret the Church's teaching!

I'll leave you with a quote by the late Archbishop Fulton Sheen.

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Indeed they are. Look what the CCC says just 2 articles above article no 841.
That's not true. Our relationship with the Jews is the closest. Read article no 839 (above). Muslims have been placed after the Jews. Look what it says in 841, "The plan of salvation also includes...".
It is the church's teaching (1 Tim 3:15) and you cannot pick and choose what you want to believe if you're a Catholic.
Thank you for the clarification. I feel better now.
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You guys wanna know who and what this guy is all about?

He's Bogdan Hulewicz, an anti-Catholic street preacher in Australia and wasn't hard to track down at all..

I found all of this simply by a google search, but that last video is his and is most damning of all. Look at what he thinks of WYD and our Catholic faith.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk8JU3...eature=related

15 seconds into above video.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=HoMxAHSeZzc

The first minute of the above video

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=0oztWqsA0KE

That one is all his...
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And here's a further clarification of what the Catholic Church teaches about Islam.

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0207bt.asp
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But they are part of the plan of salvation and WORSHIP the SAME GOD according to the Church.

Surely, the Christian thing to do would be to accept the tract, read it, file it in your personal copy of the catechism and wish them 'Peace be with you'

Just saw on our local TV the pope dialoging with an Imam-seemed all very friendly and ecumenical. How come the youth are not following the pope's example?
Our youth are likely to perceive of such tracts as attempts to convert them; and they well may be. It's likely that the teens, especially, were advised to discard any tracts from other faiths. Wording can be purposely deceptive and confusing.
Pope Benedict's faith is so well-informed that he has nothing to fear in communicating with leaders of other faiths. In fact, even for youth, open communication with those of other faiths is a positive and hope-filled activity.
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You guys wanna know who and what this guy is all about?

He's Bogdan Hulewicz, an anti-Catholic street preacher in Australia and wasn't hard to track down at all..

Is "this guy" drbible, who posted here, the person distributing tracts, the author of the tracts? Who is he? I can't receive video. And your message concerns me.
 

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