Why is Obama so popular?

[bobzills]

Originally Posted by mary bobo

They protect the weak and refuse to allow merit pay for teachers. .

How do you propose to determine merit pay?

[Ridgerunner]

[quote=Monica37;4252393]Sorry to sound alarm bells again, but has anyone noticed so many Obama defenders joined CAF on September 22, 2008? It seems rather odd to me that so many with the exact same points have the exact same join date.

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Yes. They do seem to travel in packs. Of course, the DNC has assigned operatives to work on Catholics. Even named a Catholic to run it. NCR interviewed him some time back. I think that's what we're seeing now.

Of course, it's a bit tough with candidates like Biden who ignores his Church's teachings, Pelosi who just plain invents them, and Obama who is the most pro-abortion member of Congress. He's even more pro-abortion than NARAL, which shrank back from openly supporting infanticide. But Obama just charged right ahead with it.

But it must be admitted that, in seeming to promise everyone that they will get some financial benefit at the expense of someone else, he has hit a responsive chord. He won't deliver, of course, except to those he wishes to favor; like his wife who got a raise from over $100 thousand a year to over $300 a year when he got her employer a million dollar earmark, compliments of me and you.

Being a beginning Senator who has spent almost no time actually in the Senate, though, he has made a promising start at "fiscal responsibility". He has only 10 billion in earmarks to his credit so far. And too, he is only the third biggest recipient of money from FNMA, after Dodd and Schumer. So, as the apostle of "change", at least we know he doesn't mean "small change". He did vote against McCain's proposed 2005 reform of FNMA and FHLMC. Maybe he didn't think it went far enough? Of course, it wasn't reformed, and now we see the results.

And I guess he didn't think there was a thing wrong in saying he didn't want his daughter to be "punished" by having an unwanted child someday. That would be his own grandchild he's so willing to see murdered. He didn't say he would help her out (he's rich, and could) He didn't say he would or could do all that stuff his supporters in here say prolife people should be doing (and only they actually do) to help unwed mothers. He didn't say he would raise the child if his daughter wouldn't. No, kill it. That's his answer, even for his own grandchild.

But his supporters want us to believe that this man, who would see his own grandchild ripped to shreds with a scalpel and think nothing of it, cares about the millions of Americans he doesn't even know. My! How stupid does he think we who cling to our religion and guns are?

And, of course, his organization sends their people in here to convince Catholics that they should commit mortal sin in voting for abortion, and for what? For some vague promises that he'll drop a few dollars in our pockets? (Well someone's anyway, he isn't too clear on just who is going to get the money he is going to take from someone else, and his promises add up to even more than the "big bailout" he and his buddies engineered, so he's either going to have to renege or redefine "the rich" downward.)

The Obama candidacy is about abortion and infanticide and nothing more. All the rest is just a big lie; a promise that he'll rob someone to pay us, and that, alone, is corrupting. But his most corrupting influence on Catholics is his attempt to bribe us to go against the teachings of our Church.

The man might win. He sure might. And if he does, he will do one thing he promised to do; enact the Freedom of Choice Act, which is even more pro-abortion than the Supreme Court requires.

The economic crisis will pass. They always do. Nobody likes them, including me. But the memory of making an immoral choice for abortion will not.

Perhaps being new to the world, children are generally appalled by abortion when they know what it is. Could have been them. Someday all the Obama voters are going to have to explain to their children or grandchildren, and even more importantly, to their God, just how it was that they supported abortion and infanticide in 2008.

[loveoneanother]

Where I live, it is the Catholic school that tolerates bullying and disrespect? We have found our public school system to be much better at teaching morals. My children have been in both in our town. It's basically the exact opposite of what you must have experienced.

[JimG]

Your entire post bears repeating, but especially this:

Originally Posted by Ridgerunner

But his supporters want us to believe that this man, who would see his own grandchild ripped to shreds with a scalpel and think nothing of it, cares about the millions of Americans he doesn't even know. My! How stupid does he think we who cling to our religion and guns are?

And, of course, his organization sends their people in here to convince Catholics that they should commit mortal sin in voting for abortion, and for what? For some vague promises that he'll drop a few dollars in our pockets? . . .

The Obama candidacy is about abortion and infanticide and nothing more. All the rest is just a big lie; a promise that he'll rob someone to pay us, and that, alone, is corrupting. But his most corrupting influence on Catholics is his attempt to bribe us to go against the teachings of our Church. . . .

Perhaps being new to the world, children are generally appalled by abortion when they know what it is. Could have been them. Someday all the Obama voters are going to have to explain to their children or grandchildren, and even more importantly, to their God, just how it was that they supported abortion and infanticide in 2008.

The DNC sends its operatives out to tell Catholics that its OK to vote for Obama because abortion is just another issue. Our bishops tell us different.

It's one thing to scrounge for votes. It's another to lead us into supporting evil.
God forbid that we listen.

[loveoneanother]

Yes. They do seem to travel in packs. Of course, the DNC has assigned operatives to work on Catholics. Even named a Catholic to run it. NCR interviewed him some time back. I think that's what we're seeing now.
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You don't own this website or Catholism. People who support Obama are just as Catholic as you are. I am Catholic and have been all of my life. I went to a Catholic gradeschool and college. I was married in the Catholic church, went through Christ Renews His Parish, a CCD and VBA teacher for six years, an RCIA sponsor, a Cursillista, a music minister for 20 years, Godparent for four children, volunteered for homeless shelters, special needs charities, an afterschool program, hospital, nursing home and Right to Life.

I vote for Obama BECAUSE I am Catholic. I vote for Obama BECAUSE I want to do more than just place my republican vote again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Well, unfortunately, I've been fooled far too many times.

He won't deliver, of course,

Yes, if we stick with waiting for Roe vs Wade to be overturned, in the meantime how many babies are going to die that could have been saved? And how do you know he won't deliver? I didn't see Bush delivering in the last 8 years.

And I guess he didn't think there was a thing wrong in saying he didn't want his daughter to be "punished" by having an unwanted child someday. That would be his own grandchild he's so willing to see murdered. He didn't say he would help her out (he's rich, and could) He didn't say he would or could do all that stuff his supporters in here say prolife people should be doing (and only they actually do) to help unwed mothers. He didn't say he would raise the child if his daughter wouldn't. No, kill it. That's his answer, even for his own grandchild.

How do you know that he meant he was going to kill the baby? I interpretted his comment as wanting to create better education in abstinence and marriage so that she does not have premarital sex leading to an unwanted pregnancy. What about a greater respect and acceptance of unwed mothers giving their babies up for adoption?

And, of course, his organization sends their people in here to convince Catholics that they should commit mortal sin in voting for abortion, and for what?

His "organization" did not send me in here. And if you would bother to actually read the Faithful Citizenship, you would see that it is not a mortal sin to vote for Obama. It would only be a sin to vote for candidate BECAUSE of a platform that goes against the Catholic church. It would be a sin to vote for McCain because of the war in Iraq. It is also a sin to not spent time understanding all of the issues and praying and discerning about this election. I also wanted to remind you of the eighth commandment about "bearing false witness."

The Obama candidacy is about abortion and infanticide and nothing more. All the rest is just a big lie; a promise that he'll rob someone to pay us, and that, alone, is corrupting. But his most corrupting influence on Catholics is his attempt to bribe us to go against the teachings of our Church.

How about that 8th commandment again?!

But the memory of making an immoral choice for abortion will not.

OK... McCain wins and nothing changes. Babies go on being aborted as usual, hundred of thousands of people die from continuing this unjust war, America continues to torture people .
Obama wins, maybe just maybe, we are able to reduce abortion by putting in programs that will help mom's choose life for their children. If one child is saved it is worth it! This is creating a culture of life. This is what I believe with all of my heart, it is what I have discerned through prayer and actually reading the entire Faithful Citizenship.

Perhaps being new to the world, children are generally appalled by abortion when they know what it is. Could have been them. Someday all the Obama voters are going to have to explain to their children or grandchildren, and even more importantly, to their God, just how it was that they supported abortion and infanticide in 2008.

Someday you may have to explain to your children how you permitted another four years of killing, but when you really haven't saved any at all.

You spend so much time condemning to justify sitting back and not doing anything to help the poor.
It is obvious that this blog does not represent the Catholic church. Keep in mind that only half of Catholics in America are Republicans. We all want the same outcome (or at least I would hope so) but we just have different ways to get there.

I am no longer going to torture myself by paying attention to this website. The only reason I started posting was because I was not liking the nasty way people were treating each other on this thread. Perhaps that is why others started posting on the same day. I find it repulsive to degrade someone when they just share a different view than you do. If you want to live in a country where everyone feels exactly the way you do, maybe you should move to the Vatican. I love my Jewish, Muslim, protestant, and even Atheist fellow Americans. We may disagree, but I don't need to go around calling them names. If you disagree, pray for them instead.

I'm sure you will rip me up and down for this post, but you may as well save your breath since I will no longer be participating.

[blessedtoo]

Originally Posted by bobzills

Yes, no one wants to give a few dollars to educating our young people, but Bush - Cheney - McCain want to give billions and billions of dollars, $700 billion and more, to the extremely wealthy Wall St. Bankers and financiers. These are people with two or three maids, vacation houses, secret Swiss bank acoounts, BMW cars, Rolex wrist watches, 5 or 6 million dollar houses, and Bush wants to hand over $700 billion dollars to them? Why is it so easy to find billions of dollars to put into the pockest of the rich, but when it comes to educating American children, there is no money to be found?

Hooey.

Spending on education has increased since Bush took office.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLI.../21/bush.wrap/
http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/20...udget.h27.html
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Edu.../ednotes49.cfm

[peary]

Because he talks a good story.
By the way, when the enemies of the United States are endorsing an Obama presidency, I am VERY concerned.

[Ridgerunner]

Originally Posted by loveoneanother

You don't own this website or Catholism. People who support Obama are just as Catholic as you are. I am Catholic and have been all of my life. I went to a Catholic gradeschool and college. I was married in the Catholic church, went through Christ Renews His Parish, a CCD and VBA teacher for six years, an RCIA sponsor, a Cursillista, a music minister for 20 years, Godparent for four children, volunteered for homeless shelters, special needs charities, an afterschool program, hospital, nursing home and Right to Life. That doesn't make you automatically right.

I vote for Obama BECAUSE I am Catholic. I vote for Obama BECAUSE I want to do more than just place my republican vote again. Well, unfortunately, I've been fooled far too many times. Well, when it comes to abortion, you can be confident Obama is not fooling. And you want to own a piece of that because you think the Repubs let you down?

Yes, if we stick with waiting for Roe vs Wade to be overturned, in the meantime how many babies are going to die that could have been saved? And how do you know he won't deliver? I didn't see Bush delivering in the last 8 years. Totally wrong. Bush appointed two justices during his presidency; both Catholic and both prolife. He signed every "constitutional" prolife enactment that came before him. What did you want him to do?

How do you know that he meant he was going to kill the baby? I interpretted his comment as wanting to create better education in abstinence and marriage so that she does not have premarital sex leading to an unwanted pregnancy. What about a greater respect and acceptance of unwed mothers giving their babies up for adoption? What about a grandfather supporting his unwed but pregnant daughter and raising the child himself if it came to that? But no, he was for killing, and all the strained "interpretation" in the world won't change that. He said he wanted to keep abortion legal because he didn't want his daughter "punished" by being forced to have a baby. If he had said "If my daughter became pregnant but didn't want to keep the baby, I would raise the baby myself, and I would support her while she was carrying it and afterward. But he didn't, did he?

It would only be a sin to vote for candidate BECAUSE of a platform that goes against the Catholic church. Oh? And if I voted for Hitler, knowing what he was, but not voting for him BECAUSE he wanted to kill Jews and start a world war, but because I really believe in autobahn construction, I would be morally okay? Think this one out again. It would be a sin to vote for McCain because of the war in Iraq. Not it wouldn't. That is a matter of prudiential judgment. I also wanted to remind you of the eighth commandment about "bearing false witness." So don't bear false witness by accusing me of "bearing false witness", then.

Someday you may have to explain to your children how you permitted another four years of killing, but when you really haven't saved any at all. First of all Obama has backed away from his promise to end the war; initially he for ending it in 2006, then in 2008. Now it's a permanently advancing "16 months". There is no possibility whatever that he will end the war when you want him to or think he will. Second, I will not be ashamed at all to tell my children that the U.S. freed millions of people from a tyrant who was responsible for the deaths of a million people, killed peoples children in front of them then put them in acid baths, and started two wars, one in which he used WMD and one of which was a world war. No, I will not be ashamed of my country for doing that, nor will I be obliged to say I voted for an abortionist.

You spend so much time condemning to justify sitting back and not doing anything to help the poor. What was that 8th Commandment again?

I am no longer going to torture myself by paying attention to this website. Your prerogative. The only reason I started posting was because I was not liking the nasty way people were treating each other on this thread. Perhaps that is why others started posting on the same day. Possibly you believe this. I find it repulsive to degrade someone when they just share a different view than you do. If you want to live in a country where everyone feels exactly the way you do, maybe you should move to the Vatican. I love my Jewish, Muslim, protestant, and even Atheist fellow Americans. Of course. We're supposed to love everybody. That does not mean we have to approve their every point of view.

I'm sure you will rip me up and down for this post, but you may as well save your breath since I will no longer be participating.
Oh, you might peek. Besides, others might read your post, and it would not be right for me to leave the assertions unchallenged.

[Insight]

Originally Posted by loveoneanother

I've been fooled far too many times.

Particularly by the DNC, these pesky Catholics aren’t falling for any of this stuff.

Originally Posted by Ridgerunner

Of course, it's a bit tough with candidates like Biden who ignores his Church's teachings, Pelosi who just plain invents them, and Obama who is the most pro-abortion member of Congress. He's even more pro-abortion than NARAL, which shrank back from openly supporting infanticide. But Obama just charged right ahead with it.

I must have read your post over five times. Wow! Right on the money.

God Bless

[St Francis]

Originally Posted by loveoneanother

I vote for Obama BECAUSE I am Catholic....

Yes, if we stick with waiting for Roe vs Wade to be overturned, in the meantime how many babies are going to die that could have been saved? And how do you know he won't deliver? I didn't see Bush delivering in the last 8 years.

Oh, this is logical: Republicans have not done enough about abortion, so you are going to vote for a man who will make it impossible to do anything about abortion in the future. Good move!!!!

How do you know that he meant he was going to kill the baby? I interpretted his comment as wanting to create better education in abstinence and marriage so that she does not have premarital sex leading to an unwanted pregnancy....

Well, you certainly manage to think a whole lot better of people than they deserve.

First, he said he did not favor abstinence-only education, because “Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.” So, he's not for abstinence-only sex ed.

And if you would bother to actually read the Faithful Citizenship, you would see that it is not a mortal sin to vote for Obama. It would only be a sin to vote for candidate BECAUSE of a platform that goes against the Catholic church.

It would only be appropriate to vote for a pro-abortion politician for proportionate reasons. Do you understand what that means? Do you understand that it means that things like bigger welfare payments, lower taxes, etc are not good enough reasons to vote for Obama?

It would be a sin to vote for McCain because of the war in Iraq.

This is not true.

OK... McCain wins and nothing changes. Babies go on being aborted as usual,

Even if McCain did nothing, considering Obama's stated desire to roll back every legal restriction on abortion, including parental notification and non-use of federal funds, and to appoint por-choice justices to the Supreme Court would cause such aset-back to the pro-life movement than voting for him cannot be considered moral.

Obama wins, maybe just maybe, we are able to reduce abortion by putting in programs that will help mom's choose life for their children.

This is what Obama's site says: Preventing Unintended Pregnancy:
Barack Obama is an original co-sponsor of legislation to expand access to contraception, health information and preventive services to help reduce unintended pregnancies. Introduced in January 2007, the Prevention First Act will increase funding for family planning and comprehensive sex education that teaches both abstinence and safe sex methods. The Act will also end insurance discrimination against contraception, improve awareness about emergency contraception, and provide compassionate assistance to rape victims.

So, do you seriously believe that women have not had access to this information all this time, and that's why they become pregnant when they can't fit a pregnancy into their lives?

And here: As part of efforts to help pregnant women, [former Indiana U.S. Representative Timothy Roemer, a pro-life Catholic Democrat] Roemer endorsed creating a “web of support” and increasing government programs and funding for women, infants and children.

What, we currently have no Section 8 housing, no welfare, no food stamps programs, no health programs for the poor? We have had those since before Roe v Wade (not necessaily under those names), and yet abortion went up to over 10 times the number before the decision.

The number of those who want to adopt is "usually estimated at around 2 million." Wow, there are many more families trying to adopt than there are abortions each year, and that's without Obama's proposed tax break.

If one child is saved it is worth it! This is creating a culture of life. This is what I believe with all of my heart, it is what I have discerned through prayer and actually reading the entire Faithful Citizenship.

Have you considered why, if Obama really wants to reduce the number of abortions each year, he told Planned Parenthood that the first thing he wants to do as President is to sign the FOCA into law? The FOCA would roll back every legal restriction the pro-life movement has achieved.

And what kind of Supreme Court justices would he choose? He told Planned Parenthood, "We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom." I don't think he was telling Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the country, that he thought we needed justices who would understand the fear teenage girls might have of telling their parents and so would uphold a parental notification law.

Someday you may have to explain to your children how you permitted another four years of killing, but when you really haven't saved any at all.

I sure hope you don't ever have to explain why you voted for a man who permitted abortion numbers to increase and required us to pay for them.

[PapaSquash]

Originally Posted by St Francis

This is what Obama's site says: Preventing Unintended Pregnancy:
Barack Obama is an original co-sponsor of legislation to expand access to contraception, health information and preventive services to help reduce unintended pregnancies. Introduced in January 2007, the Prevention First Act will increase funding for family planning and comprehensive sex education that teaches both abstinence and safe sex methods. The Act will also end insurance discrimination against contraception, improve awareness about emergency contraception, and provide compassionate assistance to rape victims.


I sure hope you don't ever have to explain why you voted for a man who permitted abortion numbers to increase and required us to pay for them.

Hey, lookie-there! another intrinsic evil we get to pay for. Gotta love this guy.

He is doing everything possible to advance the "sex without the effects" agenda. We will be up the sewer without a paddle.

[Paleocrat]

I think it is rather disingenuous to imply that we would begin paying for these procedures under an Obama administration, when the fact is that we have funding them for quite some time. Within the Department of Human Services is the Office of Health and Public Science. Tucked away in that bureaucratic mess is the Office of Population Affairs. This group gets a hefty sum of money under the guise of Public Health Services. The vehicle through which PHS receives this money is known as Title X.

This disbursement goes to many groups, among them being Planned Parenthood. In fact, PP admits to having 35% of their funding come from the federal government. Their accounting for a minimum of 245,000 abortions would have them receiving around $82,000 in abortion related funding. That figure would hold true regardless of whether it is direct funding or indirect funding through subsidy.

Sadly, under Bush and a Republican controlled Congress (this figure is taken from 2005), monies allotted to this fund were increased. This increase was over $30 million more than Clinton's highest allotment. It is now over $300 million annually. Worst of all is that these bills bear the signatures of three Republican "pro-life" presidents, together accounting for no less than 20 of the 35 years Roe has been in existence.

There is no reason to believe that this will be any less true under a McCain presidency. He has signed on to most of the budgets sent to the president, all of which contain appropriations such as these. So to make it out as if McCain is pro-life, or that Republicans are pro-life, is to make pro-life mean something much less than... well... pro-life.

Side Note: Why isn't anyone up in arms over McCain and Palin having no apparent concern of abortifacient contraceptives? These account for almost six times as many aborted children than medical abortion. Come to think of it, was this even mentioned in Catholic Answers' so-called Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics?

[marymol]

The changes planned by the powers behind may be - try to enforce some of the change laws that they advocate - such as a ' prevention' strategy' of easy and mandatory access for contraception for Catholic schools / hospitals , clinics .......gay rights to be enforced in Church....and to be taught in schools ....

O.T is replete with such incidents - Book Of Esther - the king was duped into enforcing a rule that put the jewish people at risk of being killed ... book of Daniel ....same scenario ..

Germany and the Nazi holocaust ...Russia .. .. ...and we are being told to espouse those same basic values in disguised forms now ... that some persons have no worth or value ....class hatreds are good ...

What is sad and bad is how many are unaware of Obama's basic stand on these values ...and its potential for long term harm at tremendous levels ...

700 billion would be peanuts in comparison - and this already true when we realise the infinite worth and potential of every soul that God want to send our way ....

Hope Mr.McCain would come out strong stating his support for groups and Churches that can bring on good and orderly change in lives and nations ...(apologies if he has ..) and with plenty of charity for the deserving poor and yes, curtail of greed at high levels as well ...well, atleast we know he has gotten some of the basic truths right and with God's grace can be guided by The Holy Spirit in the rest ..a good change that would be ..

( As someone had suggested on these forums - does not a Catholic party sound more and more atttractive ....)

In a culture where the selfishness of abortion and contraception is already well evident with the resultant family breakups and all the related social issues as well as illnessses , the false belief and lie that 'change ' out there would some how magically fix everything without the basic Godly values in place - it sounds so close to what we were promised in The Garden , by someone who did not have our best interest at heart ..and so much against what our Lord came to proclaim - the painful and ardous work of change at our own heart levels ...repentance ....mercy ..,as all basic needs for a Kingdom of God ..

Whereas the very real opposte potential for a kingdom of evil is there - for a culture that can become increasingly greedy , angry and hateful...crime ridden ....immoral ...that God might have to even allow the bitter slavery of Islam ....

American values and culture is imitated with even a passion in many other areas of the rest of the world as well ...

Change indeed that would be !

And does not the enemy have grand plans !

St .Maria Faustina pary for us !

Pope John Paul 11 , pray for us !

Our Lady of Fatima , pray for us !

May His Mercy be poured out on us all and envelope the whole world !

[fix]

Originally Posted by Paleocrat

Side Note: Why isn't anyone up in arms over McCain and Palin having no apparent concern of abortifacient contraceptives? These account for almost six times as many aborted children than medical abortion. Come to think of it, was this even mentioned in Catholic Answers' so-called Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics?

Contraception is evil, but all 4 candidates support it. Which 2 support greater access to abortion?

[Thekla]

Originally Posted by PapaSquash

We will be up the sewer without a paddle.

9 straight months of job loss. 9 trillion dollars in debt. The sewer is here.

As for the insurance companies discrimination in funding contraception, I think that many women believe that it's the fact that insurance companies will pay for erectile dysfunction medication for men so that they can.