Are We Being Forced To Accept Homosexuality?

[Jesus N Cherie]

Originally Posted by chrisb

With this being true... one must ask if the Catholic Church is actually the True Church of Christ. I mean if the Catholic Church doesn't preach the Gospel of Christ then we have to ask 'what Gospel are they preaching'?

the geneology of the Roman Catholic Church goes all the way back to Christ Jesus and His apostles. No other Christian church can say this in fact. Christ gave authority to Peter and the other Apostles. And they were sent out by Him to make disciples of all nations. These were the people closest to Him...other than His Mother. It is truth to say that the Roman Catholic Church is actually the true Church of Christ Jesus.

The problem with the preaching the Gospel of Christ Jesus is that they are not preaching at all. They are up on the pulpits, but aren't saying anything substantial to our morality. The rest of the Mass is totally substantial in It's Sacrafice.

[blessedtoo]

Originally Posted by coleraine

we are not being forced to accept it as individuals, but we are being forced to accept it as a community. which is "un"acceptable.

Exactly. And that's the rub.

Once a culture normalizes a previously immoral behavior, be it adultery, pre-marital sex, homosexuality, etc., then the individual voices become irrelevant. Just like with abortion, it will take a "movement" before any change can be seen.

To the OP:
Will and Grace are so yesterday! There is hardly a channel available now that doesn't promote homosexuality in some form. I just wrote a letter to HGTV (yes, that is the home and garden channel) because for three consecutive days they featured gay "couples" selling or renovating their homes.

I've written to Food Network because for a brief time they were running an ad for chemistry.com which feature two gay men discussing their "promises" to eachother.

MTV is a virtual wasteland of filth with a program specifically targeted at matching young gay people on blind dates.

BRAVO channel might as well be called "GAY" Channel at this point.

And we won't even discuss Soap Operas or daytime talk shows.

No, it's everywhere. Somehow, I think we missed the boat on this one.

And letters mean nothing. I have yet to receive even one reply for all the letters I've written. I can only imagine what the recipients think and say when they get a letter complaining about this issue.

They ignore the fact that the majority of Americans still reject the idea of "gay marriage".

[Dale_M]

Originally Posted by Jesus N Cherie

the geneology of the Roman Catholic Church goes all the way back to Christ Jesus and His apostles. No other Christian church can say this in fact.

Quite a few Churches, besides the Catholic Church (the one based in Vatican City) make this claim. The Anglican Communion, the Orthodox Church(es), the various descendants of the Old Catholic Church.... all of them claim apostolic succession.

Originally Posted by Jesus N Cherie

I can see it easily happening. The law will say that hate speech is a crime and not allowable in the land. It will be persecuted.

I don't think this is likely. The United States, unlike other nations of the First World, places a very high value on Freedom of Speech. It is, after all, is guaranteed by the US Constitution and many federal court cases have upheld this right, even in odious circumstances.

[HappyRevert]

We aren't being forced to accept homosexuality, but the end of Christendom (a basically Christian society) has happened some time in the past few decades and we haven't adjusted yet. We used to be able to assume our children would be exposed to basically Christian ideals, but those days are long gone. We are now living in times similar to those for the early church Fathers. Almost everyone around us is not Christian so we are separated from them and have to make it clear to our children, that our values are starkly opposed to everything that they see and hear. My children are teenagers, but if I had a young child, I would not have a television, or rarely turn it on except for educational programs.

I think ultimately this will be good for us. We are forced to make a stand and our children will see exactly what we represent, and what the rest of society represents. They will be forced to choose and be the stronger for it. I think protesting "alternative lifestyles" being thrust upon us is a good thing, and over time may cause some changes, but right now we have to stand and let our children know our opinions and why we hold them.

[Newbie2]

Originally Posted by dove51

Yes, it's obvious that people who support homosexuality are utilizing the media to make their points. But I am at a loss as to how to counter that. If you say anything slightly against homosexuality, you are branded a hate-mongering fringe lunatic. I've never been a very diplomatic person, so I have no idea how to circumvent that aspect of the debate.

You then counter with claims of heterophobia.

I don't think that one can counter a argument that is advanced by someone who uses name-calling instead of reasonable debate.

[Hislittlelady]

While it's not a sin to be a homosexual, it is most certainly sinful to act upon it in just the same way as it is for people who are not married to engage in sexual conduct outside of marriage.
Homosexuals are called to chastity.

It's a very curious point as to why they were born with these feelings to begin with, but then who can fully understand God's plan. He has his reasons, same as when anyone is born with a disability or other personal defect in their human nature.

It's so beyond what we can understand and I imagine anyone who is homosexual and is a true Christian, must have to accept this as their calling to lead a chaste life. It is no more difficult then for those who remain single for life and must refrain from sexual activity.The clergy is an excellent example of this. It must be extremely difficult and a great sacrifice. Jesus said it will be worth it in he end. For now, I'd call it suffering and a great challenge to anyone who must walk this walk for the rest of their lives.

I myself have not been married for many years, thirty to be exact, and have lead a single life since, most of my youth, and I've had to also choose a celibate life, which I will add, I've failed many times.

Our children, grandchildren, siblings or anyone we love or know could be homosexual and still we love them and pray for them. I myself cannot even begin to comprehend what they must feel or why they do, but like anything else, just another cross to carry for some.

I will never, ever, agree to homosexual marriage, adoption of children, or anything else that is the right of a heterosexual couple, since the alternative life style is simply that. An alternative, but certainly not a union that could possibly be blessed by God. No offense intended toward anyone, my opinion only, and definitely not a judgement, but it's what I believe to be fact.

Since God created man and then made woman for his companion to procreate, nowhere have I ever seen that God mentioned a male companion for a male companion or female with female in the same manner. So it's very logical to see that Man and woman were meant to be together and no alternative is permissible here.

God bless everyone and I pray for God's children who are homosexual that they will obey their call to chastity which will be so pleasing to the Lord. May the Lord hold you close to His heart.

[edwest2]

Originally Posted by Dempsey1919

Homosexuality seems to have been accepted by most people as a normal, alternative lifestyle choice. The media are continually brain-washing people to think that homosexuality is a natural occurance that is no different from heterosexuality.

I have noticed that there are more and more gay related shows on television. In America, you have The Ellen Degeneres Show, in which the host, a well-known lesbian, frequently uses her show as a platform to promote her beliefs concerning gay marriage, gay adoption, and the gay lifestyle in general. The hit show Will and Grace is another example. This show glamourises the homosexual lifestyle and is designed to make people become more accepting of the gay population. Then there are films like A Brokeback Mountain which tells the story of the lifelong romance between two gay men. I am sure you can think of many other examples. It is my belief that the media is responsible for the widespread acceptance of homosexuality.

Yesterday, I watched a show on British television named Gay to Z. The show is about homosexual teenagers and this particular episode presented a day in the life of a proud and openly gay teen. The worst thing about this show is that the topics of conversation were highly explicit; they talked intricately about gay sex and gay relationships. I was absolutely horrified that they would put this show on in the mornings. A show like this would have been unheard of even ten years ago. It was absolutely disgusting! Shows of this nature are responsible for the gay culture that we now have. Homosexuality now has the respectability that it never had in the past.

If the current trend continues, homosexuality will begin to have an equal status with heterosexuality and may even be taught in schools. The morals of our society will decline, and religious people will be accused of hatred for their beliefs regarding homosexuality.

The media is responsible for the widespread acceptance homosexuality now enjoys, and I think Catholics will be persecuted for their beliefs on homosexuality in the future.

Your comments are overblown. A) Most people do not accept homosexual acts as normal. B) The media has been supporting dysfunctional and disordered lifestyles for decades. C) There is no power involved. You can complain, politely, to whatever organization you'd like. Your voice needs to be heard.

Homosexuality is already being taught as normal in schools in the United States. That is one reason parents are removing their children from schools and teaching them at home.

The "widespread acceptance" you mention is unsupported by the facts. There is a widespread media campaign to promote sexually active homosexuals but that is all it is.

If you are Catholic, pray.



God bless,
Ed

[Hislittlelady]

I am appalled and horrified by what's happening in the schools and in our world as well. I agree with most of you here that something has to be done regarding this blatant trumpeting of homosexuality all over the media and now going into the schools. How dare the schools, where God is not even permitted to be mentioned and to have the audacity to even ban anything God-related.

I have already spoken to my grandchildren on this matter, and made sure that they understood they must love the people, but in no way is it acceptable as correct behavior and I also told them it is 'SIN'. We must call it as we see it and mainly as God sees it. We have to be careful not to make judgments, but neither do we have to have this crammed down our throats. After all, if God isn't allowed to be mentioned, then how can they possibly bring this matter up for discussion in school?

Where is the sense to all this. There is no more sense. The right has become the wrong, and the wrong has become the right. Exactly what revelation told us it would be. It's slowly becoming a twisted, perverted world and I for one am frightened to death. This nation, this world, is slowly deteriorating.

I've known gay people that are so lovely, both male and female, and they are easy to love because many of them have a rare kindness toward others, and are generally pleasant people, at least the ones I've known. I usually don't touch the topic nor do they.

I know one thing and that's we better start traveling on our knees from here on and make peace with God, not only for ouselves, but for the sinfulness of this world. I seldom turn the TV on anymore, unless it's to watch EWTN, or History channel, and the news sickens me, but I do watch just to keep up with the times. But I hate every minute of everything I see. The media brings forth all the filth of the world, and very little goodness.

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

God bless you all and let us walk on the path to heaven praying for all the lost and ourselves as well.

[burnside]

I wrote quite some time ago to The Matthew Wright Show in the U.K.and said what i thought.Matthew Wright,a lapsed catholic,didn't like it.His Channel 5 show tends to be a discussion involving people who have similar "tolerant" views to himself.
In addition to that,i have been letting other people know what i think.Going by a remark he made recently on the Channel 5 Terrestial Channel he seems to be losing out in the ratings war with Jeremy Kyle on Channel 3,also terrestrial.
You can twist their arm regarding the contents of their shows,in these days of Cable/Satellite.In the U.K.Soap Stars are having to take a decrease in their salaries because,due to the increasing number of Channels for people to choose from,the terrestrial channels are not making so much money from advertising.It should be easier to complain because they won't want to lose any more viewers than they already have.Go on secular Message
Boards,just avoid going in like a bull in a China Shop.Saying what you think on Catholic Answers is preaching to the converted.I come on Catholic Answers to try and make myself better informed so that i don't make a fool of myself.Consequently,i find
i do ok.In fact,i sometimes find it very frustrating when posters on the Scottish Sunday Mail Forums are initially quite cocky and when i respond they do a runner.At first,i was hesitant about going on these Forums because i thought my knowledge was too limited.However,i have found that atheists don't really know their Faith either.The difference is that i don't want to say the wrong thing and then have to backtrack,so if i don't know the answer i go and look it up.My opponents don't worry about little details like that.

[RMichelucc]

Originally Posted by Dempsey1919

Homosexuality seems to have been accepted by most people as a normal, alternative lifestyle choice. The media are continually brain-washing people to think that homosexuality is a natural occurance that is no different from heterosexuality.

I have noticed that there are more and more gay related shows on television. In America, you have The Ellen Degeneres Show, in which the host, a well-known lesbian, frequently uses her show as a platform to promote her beliefs concerning gay marriage, gay adoption, and the gay lifestyle in general. The hit show Will and Grace is another example. This show glamourises the homosexual lifestyle and is designed to make people become more accepting of the gay population. Then there are films like A Brokeback Mountain which tells the story of the lifelong romance between two gay men. I am sure you can think of many other examples. It is my belief that the media is responsible for the widespread acceptance of homosexuality.

Yesterday, I watched a show on British television named Gay to Z. The show is about homosexual teenagers and this particular episode presented a day in the life of a proud and openly gay teen. The worst thing about this show is that the topics of conversation were highly explicit; they talked intricately about gay sex and gay relationships. I was absolutely horrified that they would put this show on in the mornings. A show like this would have been unheard of even ten years ago. It was absolutely disgusting! Shows of this nature are responsible for the gay culture that we now have. Homosexuality now has the respectability that it never had in the past.

If the current trend continues, homosexuality will begin to have an equal status with heterosexuality and may even be taught in schools. The morals of our society will decline, and religious people will be accused of hatred for their beliefs regarding homosexuality.

The media is responsible for the widespread acceptance homosexuality now enjoys, and I think Catholics will be persecuted for their beliefs on homosexuality in the future.

Even this subject heading evokes strong emotions in me. This is ridiculous. The only people who worry so much about this are people who are not gay or people who are and are uncomfortable with it.

I am no different than anyone else on this planet, who I am attracted to - my orientation - is my own business. Yours is your business. There is no "lifestyle" glamorized. Itis reality. The moajority of people know well-adjusted gay people, and we also know some people who obsess over gay people for no good reason. How about using the social justie forum for just that? Focus on the homeless, the hungry, the elderly, infants, etc.

[edwest2]

Why are you trying to change the subject? All are called to chastity except in marriage. No one needs anyone's permission to do what they want behind closed doors but the moment it appears on a ballot, all of society has to examine the issue. Right now, around the world, people are doing whatever they want behind closed doors. But the media insists on normalizing something that is not natural and a few small groups also insist society must approve this. Discrimination occurs whenever a law is passed and it occurs in two directions, not just one.




Peace,
Ed

[RMichelucc]

Originally Posted by edwest2

Why are you trying to change the subject? All are called to chastity except in marriage. No one needs anyone's permission to do what they want behind closed doors but the moment it appears on a ballot, all of society has to examine the issue. Right now, around the world, people are doing whatever they want behind closed doors. But the media insists on normalizing something that is not natural and a few small groups also insist society must approve this. Discrimination occurs whenever a law is passed and it occurs in two directions, not just one.




Peace,
Ed

It's so not natural that many other mammals do it as well. I guarantee you have one or several members of your family that are gay and if you would take the time to get to know them/their partners you may find how "normal" they really are.

By the way, the guy who painted the Sistene Chapel you worship in? He must not have been normal either.

[Maxply]

We ARE being forced to accept homosexuality. There's really not much of a debate on this one.

The real question is whether secular humanism (if you want to call it that) can defend itself against, say, Islam.

Good Christians, of course, will need to go back to living in caves. I'm pretty much one of them: I stopped watching television years ago to avoid the tripe.

And deep inside, I feel the whole pro-sodomite movement just tramples into the dirt our constitutional freedoms.

[edwest2]

In response to Post 45:


I have never been to the Sistene Chapel. Heterosexual intercourse is how humans reproduce. This is not possible for homosexuals. Animals do not have human cognition. There is no comparison.





Peace,
Ed

[Walt Oliver]

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