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Feb 17, '09, 8:06 pm
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Re: Syro-Malabar Catholic Church
By creating a diocese for Syro-Malabar Christians things did not
get any lighter for us. My daughter was very interested to have
her wedding in this rite. She is extremely disappointed when she
learnt that she has to wait for more than 6 months to get permission from Chicago. I do not know who exactly enjoys to
be bogged down in ecclesiastical beaurocracy.
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Feb 17, '09, 8:19 pm
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Re: Syro-Malabar Catholic Church
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Originally Posted by tommathew60
By creating a diocese for Syro-Malabar Christians things did not
get any lighter for us. My daughter was very interested to have
her wedding in this rite. She is extremely disappointed when she
learnt that she has to wait for more than 6 months to get permission from Chicago. I do not know who exactly enjoys to
be bogged down in ecclesiastical beaurocracy.
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TomMatthew60:
If your daughter was baptized in the Latin rite Roman Catholic Church, (considering the diocese in Chicago was started only in 2001 that could well be the case) then a Syrian rite wedding in SMCC is not a given. You say that your daughter was extremely interested to get married in this rite. They may have had to consider many aspects before permitting someone to marry in the Church simply because somebody wants it, for example a minimum of six month membership in SMCC before being eligible to be married in the rite. One can't just walk into a Roman Catholic Church and demand that the priest conduct a marriage if the couple had been attending only SMCC until that point. These are just my thoughts. Maybe you could explain the real circumstances regarding your particular case and the explanation given for the long wait.
I doubt if someone who was actually baptized in SMCC would need to wait six months to get married in their own church. I know however there can be a long wait if one is coming from overseas to Kerala, after attending only RCC, and wants to get married in SMCC in Kerala, even if the person was baptized in Kerala in SMCC. I doubt very much that anyone who was baptized in a Roman Catholic Church, whether in Kerala or elsewhere in India or overseas, could just walk into an SMCC in Kerala and ask to be married in the rite. SMCC is after all a separate church and they have the right to have their own rules.
As I understand it, while SMCC members automatically get to baptize their children in an SMC church, children do not automatically become members of SMCC if they are baptized in the Roman Catholic Church, simply because their parents were baptized in SMCC.
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Feb 17, '09, 8:38 pm
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Re: Syro-Malabar Catholic Church
I do not expect any one to plead for me or my daughter before
the Syro-Malabar Bishop in Chicago.For the last 2 years Sonja
had been researching on Syro-Malabar Church for her phD; she
has become very sentimental about her parents' ancestry. She is
quite happy to get married in the same Latin rite where she was
baptized as a child. We have priests from Kerala here,who would
have blessed her wedding with holy mass in Malayalam, if it were easy for us to get the neccessary papers.
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Feb 17, '09, 9:09 pm
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Re: Syro-Malabar Catholic Church
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Originally Posted by tommathew60
I do not expect any one to plead for me or my daughter before
the Syro-Malabar Bishop in Chicago.For the last 2 years Sonja
had been researching on Syro-Malabar Church for her phD; she
has become very sentimental about her parents' ancestry. She is
quite happy to get married in the same Latin rite where she was
baptized as a child. We have priests from Kerala here,who would
have blessed her wedding with holy mass in Malayalam, if it were easy for us to get the neccessary papers.
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TomMathew60: If your daughter Sonja is happy to get married in a Latin rite Roman Catholic church where she was baptized, then what is exactly is the problem? In all likelihood her husband is not a member of SMCC either, otherwise his SMC church would have permitted the marriage without a fuss even if she was baptized in RCC. As I see it the real issue is about two non-SMCC members wanting to get married in an SMCC church and SMCC taking six months to give consent, without treating your daughter's sentimentality about her parents' ancestry as a valid criterion for automatic permission. It may be somewhat difficult to understand that SMCC membership is not hereditary in the absence of Baptism, because it does not follow Hindu caste rules with regard to Church membership.
I wish your daughter success with her PhD thesis on the Syro Malabar Church. I look forward to reading her thesis when it is complete. There is so much revisionist history around in popular writings especially stemming from the West and from non SMC churches, including academic versions, that there is a desperate need for ever more reliable information.
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Feb 20, '09, 3:36 am
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@S J:
http://forums.catholic.com/showpost....5&postcount=88
^this post.
Syrian Christians and Syrian Catholic(SMC).
Palai is the main Catholic(SMC) town in kerala.Meenachil taluka got very old churches.Syrian christians migrated from Paravoor,Kodungalloor are the residents of Palai(according to most family histories).
Kottayam district is majority catholic.It is pathanamthitta district which contains syrian christians converted to umpteen number of protestent churches .
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The two well known Orthodox churches in Kerala are the Jacobite and Mar Thoma church. Both have their strongholds in the part of Kerala which is not listed among the seven places where Apostle Thomas established his seven churches - Districts of Kottayam (Palai as one of the most important towns), Pathanamthitta (Thiruvalla as the most important town) - which was also the epicenter of British and American missionary activities after India became a British colony. The Jacobites supposedly even shared a common seminary with the Church of England missionaries for some time, before breaking away. They still have strong connection with the Anglican Church via university affiliations. The Mar Thoma church is the more Protestant of the two Orthodox churches anyway. The Syro-Malankara Catholic Church which came in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church only in 1930, had been a part of the Jacobite church until then. The Syro-Malabar Church had come in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church in 1599, a good 330 years earlier.
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Feb 25, '09, 7:54 pm
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First miracle performed by Jesus at the wedding at Cana: John 2:1-10(NIV)
Jesus Changes Water to Wine
1 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there,
2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding.
3 When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, "They have no more wine."
4 "Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come."
5 His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you."
6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.
7 Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.
8 Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."
9 They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside
10 and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."
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Feb 25, '09, 8:07 pm
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Reflections on the miracle at Cana
Ben Masada, a Jew from Jerusalem, PaarSurrey, a Mahadi Muslim, and Chaldean Rite (who posted on this forum #3, 18) have expressed their views on the miracle at Cana in the discussion here:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=311332
My interpretation of John 2:1-10 to be posted...
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Feb 26, '09, 2:37 am
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PaarSurrey is Ahmadi Peaceful Muslim
Sorry I wrote PaarSurrey is a Mahadi Muslim instead of Ahmadi Peaceful Muslim.
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Feb 27, '09, 5:49 pm
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Re: @S J:
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Originally Posted by pjk123
http://forums.catholic.com/showpost....5&postcount=88
^this post.
Syrian Christians and Syrian Catholic(SMC).
Palai is the main Catholic(SMC) town in kerala.Meenachil taluka got very old churches.Syrian christians migrated from Paravoor,Kodungalloor are the residents of Palai(according to most family histories).
Kottayam district is majority catholic.It is pathanamthitta district which contains syrian christians converted to umpteen number of protestent churches .
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PJK123: Sure Palai is famous because the first Indian saint, Alphonsa is from there. But the history of Christianity in Kerala is a different topic. The missionary activity of British and American missionaries in Kottayam dist during British colonial rule is well known. Pattanamthitta used to be a part of Kottayam district until recently. Palai is part of Kottayam district. Considering British ruled India for nearly 200 years, and British and American missionaries were very active in Kottayam dist during that time, they have left deep and lasting changes on the whole Christian community there. Under British and American influence, Christians from Kottayam dist have tended to go overseas and have sought higher education in much larger numbers, both in Kerala and elsewhere in India.
History of Christianity in relation to Apostle Thomas still remains a different topic.
Detailed discussion of this subject is best left to those who know about the history of Christianity in Kerala in general and Thrissur Dist in particular better than I do. I could comment on your post (I happen to be a native of Chavakkad Taluk, from a village that has one of the oldest pilgrim churches and is not far from Palayoor), but I abstain for the moment because I have asked a priest from Thrissur Archdiocese to read through this thread and post more detailed information on a website of SMCC, where the information could be accessed by anyone from around the world seeking information. Professor George Menacherry is a well informed expert.
For more information on SMCC in Thrissur Dist, here the link again:
http://www.trichurarchdiocese.org
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Feb 28, '09, 11:19 am
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Re: @S J:
http://www.palaidiocese.in/
http://www.archdiocesechanganacherry.org/
May I tell you - you got pre-conceived notions about various places in Kerala and the syrian christians there.  this is ,kind of .....Even ,I read that you are so much under estimating or ...kind of anger towards christians south of Periyar river?eh?LOL!71/2 churches are found by St.Thomas.of which Nilackal is the 1/2 church and Nilackal Paramparyam is what Kottayam southwards people patronize -like you relates with your place.and moreover ,there are many many places where Saint Thomas might have converted the natives which may not be affirmed by our teachings(kothamangalam,moovattupuzha etc are few such places).
To tell you again ,Palai ,Kanjirappilly,Meenachil Taluka totally are a big centre of SMC,since you can't decipher anything without bringing thrissor-ism ,I will try to compare - Palai town,Meenachil is a Highly concentrated area of SMC more than that of mala-koratty-iringalakkuda-chalakudy;OK?Palai is where you can find most number of SMC churches per kms situated.very very few protestents you can find there.Without Knowing the history of Syrian Christians south of angamaly ,you please don't right stories here .thats a request.  As regarding the aristocracy and brahmin claims ,well ,I firmly believe we are too old as Syrian Christians to exactly knowing the legacy of more than 2000~ years;If you still wants ,Our Family claims it is part of Arackal Family of Kodungalloor.
Since you would love to see family names ,Our family is the root for Kallivayalil,Kuruvinakkunnel and many many branches who are prominent families in Meenachil Taluk.few sites:
http://www.kallivayalil.com/
http://www.kuruvinakunnel.com
Blog by Abraham Tharakan about Kallivayalil:
http://parayilat.blogspot.com/2008/0...andfather.html
http://krazykochi.blogspot.com/2007/...lains-and.html
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Dear ,Please Join Orkut Syro Malabar Catholics Community - where the experts(priests) on this subjects can give you the proper answer.here is the link:
http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=11513581
Travancore- it was where the current Kottayam,parts of Ernakulam districts(n.paravoor,aluva,karukutty,ang amaly,perumbavvoor,moovatupuzha etc were part of travancore) were part of. Travancore was Not under British Rule.Infact ,I will tell you - You DON'T know even a single thing proper on the Syrian Christians of Kottayam and south considering them as all distributed and blatant generalization on last post.
Kottayam District- Majority Syrian Catholic.Highly Educated compared to other districts.this is due to S.B College ,Changanasery.
major SMC centers- kuravilanagad,kaduthuruty,pala,ponkunnam ,kanjirapilly,irattupetta,changanasery etc.only a small loop called puthupilly(umman chandy's place) where you will find Jacobites.
Palai- A Hill Side town ,with Syrian Christian Settlement from Both Nilackal and Kodungalloor.
Kuravilangad- Was the centre of Syrian Christian setup earlier times.
Achayan is a term used for the Syrian Christians of Travancore(although now commonly used in whole community)
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Brahmin Claim- if true ,the so called 4 major Namboodiri Families converted leaved to south to Angamaaly first,then to Kuravilangad(pakalomattom etc).
The no.of protestent and pentecosts in Pathanamthitta district is NOT due to missionary work.After the Koonan Cross Oath , Puthenkoor was and is easy prey for pentecost/protestent missionairs on Orthodox/Jacobite factions to various cults like anglican,csi,marthoma etc due to the internal fights and various other reason(in malayalam-ketturapp illa).remember - mar thoma is a protestent faction.
You claimed Kottayam southwards it is "british colonial influence"!Let me show you:
Current Scenario-
Ernakulam and Thrissur Districts are Highly Latinized by the few priests who are coming from Latin Seminaries.even ,there are many marrital relations with Latins.
While Changanaserry Arch diocese leads the whole SMC to follow it's ancient Syriac Traditions properly without mixing of Latin.(No offense to readers ,Latin Church is a sister church for SMC'ites in Kerala.)
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Originally Posted by S J Thaikattil
PJK123: Sure Palai is famous because the first Indian saint, Alphonsa is from there. But the history of Christianity in Kerala is a different topic. The missionary activity of British and American missionaries in Kottayam dist during British colonial rule is well known. Pattanamthitta used to be a part of Kottayam district until recently. Palai is part of Kottayam district. Considering British ruled India for nearly 200 years, and British and American missionaries were very active in Kottayam dist during that time, they have left deep and lasting changes on the whole Christian community there. Under British and American influence, Christians from Kottayam dist have tended to go overseas and have sought higher education in much larger numbers, both in Kerala and elsewhere in India.
History of Christianity in relation to Apostle Thomas still remains a different topic.
Detailed discussion of this subject is best left to those who know about the history of Christianity in Kerala in general and Thrissur Dist in particular better than I do. I could comment on your post (I happen to be a native of Chavakkad Taluk, from a village that has one of the oldest pilgrim churches and is not far from Palayoor), but I abstain for the moment because I have asked a priest from Thrissur Archdiocese to read through this thread and post more detailed information on a website of SMCC, where the information could be accessed by anyone from around the world seeking information. Professor George Menacherry is a well informed expert.
For more information on SMCC in Thrissur Dist, here the link again:
http://www.trichurarchdiocese.org
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Feb 28, '09, 11:48 am
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Re: @S J:
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Originally Posted by pjk123
http://www.palaidiocese.in/
http://www.archdiocesechanganacherry.org/
May I tell you - you got pre-conceived notions about various places in Kerala and the syrian christians there.  this is ,kind of .....Even ,I read that you are so much under estimating or ...kind of anger towards christians south of Periyar river?eh?LOL!71/2 churches are found by St.Thomas.of which Nilackal is the 1/2 church and Nilackal Paramparyam is what Kottayam southwards people patronize -like you relates with your place.and moreover ,there are many many places where Saint Thomas might have converted the natives which may not be affirmed by our teachings(kothamangalam,moovattupuzha etc are few such places).
To tell you again ,Palai ,Kanjirappilly,Meenachil Taluka totally are a big centre of SMC,since you can't decipher anything without bringing thrissor-ism ,I will try to compare - Palai town,Meenachil is a Highly concentrated area of SMC more than that of mala-koratty-iringalakkuda-chalakudy;OK?Palai is where you can find most number of SMC churches per kms situated.very very few protestents you can find there.Without Knowing the history of Syrian Christians south of angamaly ,you please don't right stories here .thats a request.  As regarding the aristocracy and brahmin claims ,well ,I firmly believe we are too old as Syrian Christians to exactly knowing the legacy of more than 2000~ years;If you still wants ,Our Family claims it is part of Arackal Family of Kodungalloor.
Since you would love to see family names ,Our family is the root for Kallivayalil,Kuruvinakkunnel and many many branches who are prominent families in Meenachil Taluk.few sites:
http://www.kallivayalil.com/
http://www.kuruvinakunnel.com
Blog by Abraham Tharakan about Kallivayalil:
http://parayilat.blogspot.com/2008/0...andfather.html
http://krazykochi.blogspot.com/2007/...lains-and.html
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Dear ,Please Join Orkut Syro Malabar Catholics Community - where the experts(priests) on this subjects can give you the proper answer.here is the link:
http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=11513581
Travancore- it was where the current Kottayam,parts of Ernakulam districts(n.paravoor,aluva,karukutty,ang amaly,perumbavvoor,moovatupuzha etc were part of travancore) were part of. Travancore was Not under British Rule.Infact ,I will tell you - You DON'T know even a single thing proper on the Syrian Christians of Kottayam and south considering them as all distributed and blatant generalization on last post.
Kottayam District- Majority Syrian Catholic.Highly Educated compared to other districts.this is due to S.B College ,Changanasery.
major SMC centers- kuravilanagad,kaduthuruty,pala,ponkunnam ,kanjirapilly,irattupetta,changanasery etc.only a small loop called puthupilly(umman chandy's place) where you will find Jacobites.
Palai- A Hill Side town ,with Syrian Christian Settlement from Both Nilackal and Kodungalloor.
Kuravilangad- Was the centre of Syrian Christian setup earlier times.
Achayan is a term used for the Syrian Christians of Travancore(although now commonly used in whole community)
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Brahmin Claim- if true ,the so called 4 major Namboodiri Families converted leaved to south to Angamaaly first,then to Kuravilangad(pakalomattom etc).
The no.of protestent and pentecosts in Pathanamthitta district is NOT due to missionary work.After the Koonan Cross Oath , Puthenkoor was and is easy prey for pentecost/protestent missionairs on Orthodox/Jacobite factions to various cults like anglican,csi,marthoma etc due to the internal fights and various other reason(in malayalam-ketturapp illa).remember - mar thoma is a protestent faction.
You claimed Kottayam southwards it is "british colonial influence"!Let me show you:
Current Scenario-
Ernakulam and Thrissur Districts are Highly Latinized by the few priests who are coming from Latin Seminaries.even ,there are many marrital relations with Latins.
While Changanaserry Arch diocese leads the whole SMC to follow it's ancient Syriac Traditions properly without mixing of Latin.(No offense to readers ,Latin Church is a sister church for SMC'ites in Kerala.)
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PJK:
I have asked a priest from Thrissur Archdiocese to read through this thread and write corrections and additional information as he sees fit.
If you were to go back to my very first post, you will notice I provided a link to Thrissur Archdiocese. I have always invited readers to look for reliable information. I have tried to provide reliable links and the name of Professor George Menacherry, who is an expert is well known.
Why on earth should I have any anger against Christians in the south? Is it difficult for you to imagine that I may be interested in knowing the real truth, without revisionist histories? That I seek information from reliable sources?
I should like to take each point of yours and respond. But as I mentioned in my previous post, I'm awaiting the response of a priest from Thrissur Archdiocese.
Until then, the following link is the best source of information I can provide.
http://www.trichurarchdiocese.org
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Feb 28, '09, 12:28 pm
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Re: Syro-Malabar Catholic Church
but dear ,I don't want to offend you -but the single generalization got my anger.
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anyways ,I also will like to read the opinion of researchers from SMC.  .I have already shown your post on SMC on orkut.but sadly ,not many are aware of what a internet forum means!huh!
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Ash Wednesday, Ash Monday, Clean Monday
PJK123:
I realized you were angry with me. But it doesn't matter. Both of us want to know the truth, right? I don't claim to know anything about the Kottayam diocese specifically (for someone from Thrissur district, Kottayam is very far away!), but I do have some general information. I would readily apologize when I find out what I have said wrong about it. If I had anything against the Kottayam SMCs, why would I mention Saint Alphonsa in my very first post, and provide links to her website as soon as I found it, knowing she is from Kottayam? I have provided a link to the Chicago diocese. I get the impression from their website that it is a very Kottayam, Palai, centred history of SMCC in Kerala. So it is imperative that I create a balance on this thread by giving information from Thrissur archdiocese too.
While we are waiting for the priest from Thrissur archdiocese to give me some more information, I have a request to you:
How do the SMCC in Kottayam district "celebrate" Ash Wednesday?
Do you have Ash Wednesdays at all, or do you have Ash Mondays also called Clean Mondays? I had never heard of Ash Mondays or Clean Mondays until someone mentioned it to me recently, claiming it was the tradition of the Eastern Church.
I have not heard of Ash Mondays or Clean Mondays in Thrissur archdiocese.
How do the Syro-Malankara Catholic, Jacobites, Marthomites, and any other church you know in Kottayam, celebrate Ash Wednesdays? Do they have the tradition of Ash Monday called Clean Monday?
Looking forward to your reply. Easho - Mariam - Auseppe
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Yes.I was angry with you ,because of the few assumptions you made in last post.but Not Now.  Even I am learning .
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See - Kottayam Diocese is not really a SMC Diocese.they are the so called immigrants from middle east who came with Kanayi Thomman.you may be knowing that.they are called Thekkumkoor locally.They won't mix with other SMC to keep the pure blood line(!).but ,anthropologists doubt with this small community with marriages only from their members may be a disaster in future -kind of like in-breeding.
Sr.abhaya issue is with thekkumkoor.she was a kottayam diocese(kananaya) member.
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The Major Arch Diocese in Kottayam District is Changanasserry Arch Diocese.Kanjirappilly,Pala Dioceses are under Changanassery Diocese which covers whole travancore.
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The Archdiocese of Changanacherry is one of the first two Vicariates and the second Metropolitan Archdiocese of the Syro-Malabar Church, after the establishment of the Syro-Malabar hierarchy which was the prelude to the restoration of the identity of the Church in 1992 as Sui uris Church.Pope Leo XIII of happy memory by his Bull Quod Jam Pridem dated May 20, 1887 established two Vicariates Apostolic - Kottayam and Thrissur - exclusively for the Syro-Malabarians and Dr. Charles Lavigne and Dr. Adolph Medlycott respectively were appointed the Vicars Apostolic.
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http://www.archdiocesechanganacherry.org/indexmain.php
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How do the SMCC in Kottayam district "celebrate" Ash Wednesday?
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In Changanassery Diocese(hereafter as it covers whole area) Vibhoothi Thirunnaal is observed on Wednesday.We have no Clean Monday or anything like that AFAICT.
My Family is settled in Ernakulam district under Kothamangalam Diocese.They are celebrating it on Monday though!from past one year ,it is like this here in ekm archdiocese.I have absolutely NO idea why they are celebrating on Monday though.Heard it has something to do with oriental tradition.
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There is a small fight between Changanassery Faction(Oriental Tradition) and ernakulam(thrissur too who are for "bharatavatkaranam") faction over Qurbana Rituals regarding whether priests should face the community or towards Altara .Traditionalists(changanasery) and majority supports facing towards Altara while under ernakulam ,kothamangalam diocese -priests face laity during Qurbana.I heard about some book by Fr.Placid Podippara who researched various issues on SMC much earlier.
http://www.unavoce.org/syro-malabar-conflict.htm
http://www.thenazrani.org/Synod Fathers.htm
Read this too:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/SYROMALA.TXT
http://nasrani.net/2007/11/10/save-syriac/
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Originally Posted by S J Thaikattil
How do the Syro-Malankara Catholic, Jacobites, Marthomites, and any other church you know in Kottayam, celebrate Ash Wednesdays? Do they have the tradition of Ash Monday called Clean Monday?
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malanakara catholics now are following what SMC does regarding such religious observings.OTOH , jacobites/Orthodox ,I think are observing this as ash wednesday only.
See - Marthomites are protestents.they are assembled under marthoma church just so that they don't want to alienate from syrian christianity.marthoma,csi etc are corrupted churches.I have no exposure to csi/marthoma people as they are a minority and not found here.but would like to quote from a SMC member regarding it :
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THE OLD CUSTOM OF GIVING BOTH BREAD AND WINE SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK.
Forget Hindus,who does not realise our customs and take it as 'Prasadam'.
Protestant denominations have a sarcastic attitude about our traditions and reverence to Eucharist.
I have heard one priest of the Marthoma Church asking,'Kurbana Eli kondupoyal,athu swargathil pokumo' ennu????
It is one reason why I say that the Marthoma Church is a protestant faith Church,with just external characters of Jacobite/Orthodox churches.
ONLY THE CATHOLIC ,JACOBITE/ORTHODOX Churches hold Holy Mass and Eucharist in high esteem.
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also see this post (naal vazhi):
http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#CommMsgs...701537-0&nst=5
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Mar 8, '09, 11:38 pm
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Re: Syro-Malabar Catholic Church
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Originally Posted by S J Thaikattil
I'm a member of the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church, an Eastern Church in full communion with Roman Catholic Church. (However, after Baptism, First Holy Communion and Confirmation in SMCC, I have been attending only the Roman Catholic church since about the age of 15, due to living in places which had no SMCC.) I'm far from being an expert on details of the Church. But I thought it might be a topic that other Catholics might like to explore out of curiosity. Please forgive me for not joining in the discussion.
Founded by Apostle Thomas in 52 AD, SMCC is a strictly non-proselytyzing, ethnically bound Church. It is known to be Christian (Catholic since 400 years) in belief, Syro-Judaic in worship (liturgy was Latinized to a great extent only about 400 years ago but the East-Syrian Rite is still used) and Hindu in culture.
Cardinal Varkey Vithayathil is the current head of this church. The first Indian woman Saint, Saint Alphonsa belongs to this church.
Although Widipedia is a good source of basic information, it is not fully reliable. Even though I'm far from being well informed on this topic, I know for certain this Wikipedia statement is completely wrong: "At some point, Christians were given traditional Indian caste status and established communities centered around religious practices just as other Indians did during that time." Thomas Christians retained their Hindu castes and most of social practices of their Hindu ancestors in spite of conversion to Christianity. Even though they did not refer to their caste officially, caste consciousness remained. Caste is something a Hindu is born into. Nobody can confer caste on anyone, leave alone a Hindu conferring caste on a Christian.
http://www.trichurarchdiocese.org/
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