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Old Apr 29, '12, 1:54 pm
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Default Re: The Episcapol Church and the Eucharist

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I'm sorry, but Anglicans thinking their Holy Orders are valid doesn't make it so. Rome carefully looked at the question and says they're not valid. Anglican or Episcopal priests who become Catholic are ordained "de novo" (for the first time) unless it can be demonstrated that they were validly but illicitly ordained in Apostolic Succession.
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I find it upsetting that someone can declare another faiths doctrine "invalid". In reality, despite what anyone, including Rome says, none of us will know what is real or false before the day we actually stand before the Lord.

GOD IS - the rest is all interpretation.

The Church of Later Day Saints, the Mormon's and others, all think they have it "right" as well. Not all can be 100% right. Personally, I think what God cares about is that we are all seeking Jesus and are trying to follow Him to the best of our understanding. We have no clue if an ordained priest in the Episcopal Church is any more or less a priest than a priest ordained in the Catholic Church. Only God knows that. I have seen some great Episcopal priests and some great Catholic priests. I have also seen some really bad priests in both Churches. Who knows how God looks at them? Perhaps he judges their ordinations valid or not on how well they fulfill their ministries. I don't know and neither does anyone else. Blessings to all who are striving to follow Christ.
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Old Apr 29, '12, 3:47 pm
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Default Re: The Episcapol Church and the Eucharist

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Originally Posted by Katholikos View Post

I'm sorry, but Anglicans thinking their Holy Orders are valid doesn't make it so. Rome carefully looked at the question and says they're not valid. Anglican or Episcopal priests who become Catholic are ordained "de novo" (for the first time) unless it can be demonstrated that they were validly but illicitly ordained in Apostolic Succession.
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I find it upsetting that someone can declare another faiths doctrine "invalid". In reality, despite what anyone, including Rome says, none of us will know what is real or false before the day we actually stand before the Lord.

GOD IS - the rest is all interpretation.

The Church of Later Day Saints, the Mormon's and others, all think they have it "right" as well. Not all can be 100% right. Personally, I think what God cares about is that we are all seeking Jesus and are trying to follow Him to the best of our understanding. We have no clue if an ordained priest in the Episcopal Church is any more or less a priest than a priest ordained in the Catholic Church. Only God knows that. I have seen some great Episcopal priests and some great Catholic priests. I have also seen some really bad priests in both Churches. Who knows how God looks at them? Perhaps he judges their ordinations valid or not on how well they fulfill their ministries. I don't know and neither does anyone else. Blessings to all who are striving to follow Christ.

How carefully the question was examined, before Apostolicae Curae was issued, is debatable. The history and time line of the sad, lengthy, and complicated story of that Bull can be found best set out in Fr. J. J. Hughes' ABSOLUTELY NULL AND UTTERLY VOID, the most complete accounting I have found, of the history and personalities involved, in my 10+ years of studying the subject, from the first meeting of Halifax and Portal, in 1890. I recommend it. As always.

Whatever one thinks of the process and history, certainly all RCs should affirm what the RCC requires to be affirmed, on the subject, at the appropriate level of theological certainty, without reservation. Anglicans are free to do otherwise.

GKC
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