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Old Feb 7, '09, 12:05 pm
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If Birth Control is forbidden because it violates natural law, then why is science allowed to intervene when it comes to disease?

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Old Feb 7, '09, 12:16 pm
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Using that line of logic, man should not be driving cars as the internal combustion engine is not part of natural law, either. It is not a violation of God's law to do those things that are not morally in opposition to the natural law. Even with disease, science can only intervene within boundaries. For example, using embryonic stem cells harvested from aborted babies to develop cures for disease would be considered immoral.

Contraception violates the natural law because it completely negates the procreative purpose of the sexual relationship. It turns the sex act into a selfish act instead of a self-giving one as it was intended.
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If Birth Control is forbidden because it violates natural law, then why is science allowed to intervene when it comes to disease?

Treating an illness or disease in no way violates the natural law. Contraception does violate the natural law.

Perhaps you can explain what you believe natural law to be.
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Treating an illness or disease in no way violates the natural law. Contraception does violate the natural law.

Perhaps you can explain what you believe natural law to be.
I never understood this either. Now I understand the difference. As I once saw it, if medical science is good for society, how can it be bad? Well medical science isn't good or bad, but how it is applied CAN be.

Like the woman with 8 new babies. While there is nothing wrong with the babies (result) there is something wrong with the application of the medical science.

While there is nothing wrong with the ABILITY to create a human clone, there is certainly the problem of creating them. Especially for organ harvesting.

There are good applications and bad. Just because we can does not mean we should.

As for most medical science, the intent is to help people, not harm them. So to that extent, we can put it to use.

Now some might say that ABC is helping people. However, we can see it can do much harm, unintentionally. Like keeping a child and feeding him, providing for him for every need, all the time. While it is helping him to live, it does not help him to learn to live, to find his own food, provide for himself, etc. Something "too good" is actually bad. That is what ABC is. Something so "good", something usually bad comes from it. ABC promotes "bad" attitudes (while some say it doesn't, at least my experience is that it does). Raising kids on sugar instead of healthy food, for instance, can cause some really bad personal habits and other issues down the line... When one lives on sweets, bitter is not digestable, even though life is full of bitter things that need to be managed.

The reason ABC is considered so "good" is that it helps people avoid "suffering." Fact is, some suffering is really good for us. Like, "why suffer sleepless nights writing a term paper? When you can just go to the internet and pick one up for a few bucks or free!" What was learned? How can cheating make that student become a better person? It can't. ABC is cheating. And that is why it is against Natural Law.
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Old Feb 8, '09, 12:21 pm
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Because God-given fertility is not a disease, despite the teaching of our culture.
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Heard a great quote on this once: "Usually, medicine is used to help heal something broken. However, with contraception we take a completely healthy and properly working system of the body and mutilate it, insert devices into it, or pump it full of chemicals until it completely malfunctions. In any other context this is called poison."
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Heard a great quote on this once: "Usually, medicine is used to help heal something broken. However, with contraception we take a completely healthy and properly working system of the body and mutilate it, insert devices into it, or pump it full of chemicals until it completely malfunctions. In any other context this is called poison."
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So basically you agree with the modern Western cultural view that pregnancy is a form of disease. Nice.
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So basically you agree with the modern Western cultural view that pregnancy is a form of disease. Nice.
Can we remember to be civil and accept the OP's question as legitimate?
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Birth control is not forbidden. Artificial contraception is. To address your question: Is disease a natural function of the body?

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Newbetx,

I'm glad you can. I've seen at least 30 posts now by TLM all attempting to undermine catholic sexual teaching among readers. Honest questions are fine, but there comes a point when intent can be discerned.

Search his posts and see for yourself.
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I'm glad you can. I've seen at least 30 posts now by TLM all attempting to undermine catholic sexual teaching among readers. Honest questions are fine, but there comes a point when intent can be discerned.

Search his posts and see for yourself.
I called him on it before. And it was ignored.

My point isn't to admonish you, but to remind us all that more than TLM08 reads this stuff and responses seen as uncharitable makes us look bad. And yes, some are just waiting to point that out. I understand it's hard to be pushed around, bad mouthed and misquoted. We are called to be kind and patient. I mistep, too.
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Rebuke accepted.

Apologies for tone.
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