6 year old Grandson and Homosexuality

[FK04US]

Originally Posted by goofyjim

I don't demonize my gay friends. They let me believe what I choose. Very often it is us, the Christians, who are already putting them through hell on earth. That's not my job as a Christian. I love them and understand them since often I face the same temptations.

I agree with you. We do not "demonize" them. We, and I, express my love and care for them. But also, it is an act of charity towards them, to tell them and all of our friends, when something is wrong according to our faith and let them know that we are with them but do not accept sin as something that it is OK and no change is needed. Because we love them we want them to do and be better. And we all have temptations, even Jesus had them. We ought not to give up to them, but rather fight them. Prayer and the sacraments are the best shield against conversion

Mary, pray for us all, sinners

[eichenb2]

Church teaching is clear on this issue, as is the Natural Law. Lots of people have lots of disordered desires that can, in no wise, be acted upon; for thier own good and good of others.

[eichenb2]

Originally Posted by FK04US

I agree with you. We do not "demonize" them. We, and I, express my love and care for them. But also, it is an act of charity towards them, to tell them and all of our friends, when something is wrong according to our faith and let them know that we are with them but do not accept sin as something that it is OK and no change is needed. Because we love them we want them to do and be better. And we all have temptations, even Jesus had them. We ought not to give up to them, but rather fight them. Prayer and the sacraments are the best shield against conversion

Mary, pray for us all, sinners

[firstmode]

Originally Posted by IrishAm

Why on earth would anyone be having a discussion about who has sex with whom with a six-year-old anyway? Good grief.

People who talk about something like this all the time to everyone, including when it is not appropriate, like to their 6 year old kid, are called activists.

Activists for non Christian ideology really get on my nerves because they actually preach the sin instead of just living their life with the decision to commit that act based on their own choice. Activism is so annoying to me! If you are gonna do it, fine, that is your choice, but why try and rub it in everyones face at every moment you can?

[RosaryFan]

Originally Posted by JG77

I didn't realize that not being able to contain one's self because of the love you have for another meant that it is time to have sexual relations with them. If we followed the logic that says that sodomy is alright, then fornication and adultery would be as well. It sounds like your mad about something - and please don't swear on the forums (we know what your asterisks mean) - however, God designed us and in that design he designed our sexuality and its use. One of its primary purposes is to allow a man and a woman who have entered the covenant of marriage, just as Adam and Eve had, to propagate, to be fruitful and multiply. Two men alone cannot do this and neither can two women because their acts can never be open to life since naturally it is impossible. The acting out in this way by any homosexual is morally grave and it is that way, not because of conservatives, but because of Church teaching and what it knows of God's plan for us.

Many people have led chaste lives to be alongside their loved ones. Two of the greatest would be our Lord and his Mother. Then there are the countless saints who did as well and the many saints who died preserving their purity rather than doing something unchaste. Not all the time does strong love have to be expressed through a sexual relationship or action.

Now, THAT deserves Well said!

[estesbob]

Originally Posted by stephendcml

How Christian is it to judge a person's skills as a parent? But I'm gonna leave it at that or I might judge you, LOL. It shouldn't be tolerance y'all teach, it should be love. Also, the mother is clearly telling her son about love, and as a teenager I will tell all adults and parents that us kids will learn about sex in preschool, so I find it responsible that this child is learning about sex from his mom rather than another 6 year old. Also, I find it funny that while people say'seek God, love your neighbor, and avoid sin' sometimes forget the first two parts when avoiding what they think as sin comes up. I also believe that all premarital intercourse is not right.

I read the original post several times and still cannot see where she was concerned about her daughter teaching her granddaughter about love? .

Children in pre-school may very well learn about the differences between the bodies of boys and girls and sex. But they dont learn about sex Preschool is way too young to be learning the mechanics of sex more or less the mechanics of homosexual sex.

You would think sometimes reading threads on homosexuality that the Bible consists of exactly one verse" love your neighbor as yourself. " And of course this is generally accompanied by a whole variety of definitions of love which pretty much encompass any action someone wants to engage in.

[stephendcml]

Originally Posted by FK04US

I think sometimes people in the US think that you cannot say "something is wrong" or "that is a sin" because that would mean "judging". And I say the US, because I've been to other countries where people do not have a problem with speaking out loud about Catholic values, because they believe them to be true, Here Americans seem to be ashamed of Catholic teachings and they prefer to shut up and let sin go triumphant. Acceptance is the new religion, and tolerance the new God. Remember what Jesus said to the prostitute? Your sins have been forgiven. Now, go and sin no more. Some people would be sayong oh Jesus, you are judging her as a sinner ...

Regarding "teaching" a 6 year old about sex. That is not teaching, that is abusing. You are still a kid in school, so you have a long time to go in learning and discerning what is prudent and what is not. Did you learn all math in one year? What about history? Did you know about the nazis at 8? Let children be children, please.

And again, please try to love your neighbor in a REAL way. Teaching kids about gay sex ... that kid is your neighbor, and he/she is not ready for that. That is not love. Telling a gay neighbor that the salvation of their souls is at risk and that we will be judged by God is an act of love,. We want them to be in Heaven. That is real love. Telling them, it is OK to be gay, it is telling them you may go to Hell but we don't care about that as long as you are happy in this life. That is cheap love for your neighbor. That is why we have Church teachings: love the sinner, detest the sin. And that goes for each one of us, all of us are sinners.

May the Lord be with you.

I doubt that the mom is telling her son that gay men put this here and this here and frot there. The prostitute was a whore. Being gay is not the same as being a whore. Tolerance and acceptance isn't a god, it's a teaching that Jesus himself gave to all of us. Hell is for evil people, people who love to sin. Being gay isn't a sin, for there is no 100% knowledge of it being a sin. Being a slut, not acceptable. Premarital sex, not for me cause of the special connection I believe people share from love making. Also, you don't have to have sex to be in a gay relationship. Sex can be an act of love, but you don't have to have sex to love. Telling a homosexual that his soul needs salvation is only an act of love if it's not because he's gay, maybe he's promiscuous. Telling a gay needs salvation because he's gay is a falsity, whether you choose to believe it or not. Also, judging people is way different than judging something.

[FK04US]

Originally Posted by stephendcml

Telling a homosexual that his soul needs salvation is only an act of love if it's not because he's gay, maybe he's promiscuous. Telling a gay needs salvation because he's gay is a falsity, whether you choose to believe it or not. Also, judging people is way different than judging something.

I agree with this. We attack the sin, love the sinner. We do not deny the temptations, we fight them and pray for it. We do not deny sin, we avoid it and pray for God's grace and help. But we do not tolerate or accept sin. Pick any sin, we have to fight it: homosexual sex is one of them. Abortion is another one, not honoring your father and mother, not loving God, etc, etc. There are plenty of battles to fight to deserve salvation, we fight them and God will judge us.

Our lady, pray for us.

[Matariel]

Labelling people "gay" and such is also a huge problem. This labelling idea should be thrown out immediately. People are people. There are some people who may struggle with temptation towards other people of the same gender, but labelling them, like, "you're gay" is counterproductive, and in some cases of people who really are living chastely, it can be hurtful to hear labels tossed around like that.

People are people. Let's not label them anything else, as pertains to disorders they struggle with.

[goofyjim]

Originally Posted by erigby27

Christian Compromise? I've never heard this phrase.

Most of us know (I hope) that homosexuality itself is not inherently sinful (though it is disordered). We know that the activities associated with this disorder are sinful. Two of the spiritual works of mercy are to Admonish the Sinner and Teach the Ignorant. Jewish law requires that a good Jew rebuke the sinner.

Out of love we are bound to do these things. We are certainly not bound to appease the behavior of sinners, as we become responsible for their sins when we do this. And, while we are bound to teach our children to love everyONE, we are not bound to teach our children to love everyTHING any person does.

I've never heard of God compromising. Nor have I heard of Christ compromising, for that matter. Sin is sin, and no child should learn to love sin.

The compromise is accepting the behavior as sin not the state of being. There have been far too many on these forums that decide for themselves that just being homosexual in orientation is a sin. As you agreed, it is not.

[Matariel]

Originally Posted by goofyjim

The compromise is accepting the behavior as sin not the state of being. There have been far too many on these forums that decide for themselves that just being homosexual in orientation is a sin. As you agreed, it is not.

I don't know of any Catholics on here that would say that. Some Protestants, but not any Catholics that I've seen.

[Highwayhound]

Wow!

At 6 yrs old I had such weighty issues on my mind as trying to figure out how my G.I. Joe Mobile Headquarters worked. The vehicle had a rotating spotlight on its roof. My siblings and I would play a great game with it. The room lights were turned off and the spotlight was set rotating. We would then run around the room leaping over the light - great fun!

The most interesting memory of this 6 yr old was seeing a boy with 6 fingers. He had an extra thumb and was one of the blind students my dad taught where he worked.

I am glad I have these types of memories and not the subjects mentioned in prior posts.

Moving forward in time to the summer of 1996. I bicycled to San Diego from Oregon. Since I was near Cousin Dennis I thought I would visit him. We had met at family reunions and always had a good time talking with each other. Telephoned mom to get his address and phone number.

"You know he's gay don't you?"

"No, I didn't."

Nor did it matter, Dennis was a likable guy. For some reason Dennis was afraid to let me stay at his place. He explained that he was infected with H.I.V. He did not want me to become infected. This concern for me was an act of love. I stayed the night anyhow. Dennis later died of A.I.D.S. The person whom infected Dennis did not love him.

Rosary Fan mentioned the virtue of temperance. All of us should seek to live a virtuous life. My personal virtue goal this year is kindness. Boy is kindness harder than last year's virtue of humility. I was taught virtuous behavior mostly through the example of my mother.

My last comment is that I was allowed to be a child. There is plenty of time to learn of weightier matters. A child does not need to see certain behaviors to become loving and tolerant.

God bless

[Dtmccameron]

Originally Posted by Highwayhound

My last comment is that I was allowed to be a child. There is plenty of time to learn of weightier matters. A child does not need to see certain behaviors to become loving and tolerant.

God bless

There it is! The world hates children! The world despises them! If it can't murder them before they're born, it'll devestate their souls with horrors!

Oh, for a time where children could be children, and the doors needn't be locked, and the streets safe at night!

Who needs streets paved in gold? All we need is for our loved ones to be safe!

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What a horrible mother! She is a disgrace to the very institution!

Gah! When children murder instead of live, when mothers corrupt instead of defend, when fathers destroy instead of protect!

What has become of the family?!?!?

[Newbie2]

Originally Posted by Matariel

I don't know of any Catholics on here that would say that. Some Protestants, but not any Catholics that I've seen.

Huh?

No Catholics that you've seen see homosexual behavior as sinful while seeing homosexual orientation as not inherently sinful??

That's the position of the RCC. Perhaps I misunderstood what you wrote?

[Annn]

Originally Posted by Matariel

Labelling people "gay" and such is also a huge problem. This labelling idea should be thrown out immediately. People are people. There are some people who may struggle with temptation towards other people of the same gender, but labelling them, like, "you're gay" is counterproductive, and in some cases of people who really are living chastely, it can be hurtful to hear labels tossed around like that.

People are people. Let's not label them anything else, as pertains to disorders they struggle with.

Actually, many people, whether or not they are sexually active, claim the label "gay" for themselves and are happy to do so.