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Old Mar 5, '09, 8:05 pm
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Can a priest own property? A house? What if his family left him some land or house or cottage on a lake?
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Yes they can, provided they have not taken a vow of poverty. But I think it wise to remember that our priests must live their entire lives in an imitation of Christ. That, by its nature entails poverty. And so I would think and expect all priests would strive to at the very least live in the spirit of poverty. I don't know how luxurious this land or lake house is, but in any case, I think overt luxury ought to be avoided by our holy priests. Their treasure lies elsewhere. Remember:

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Old Mar 6, '09, 3:36 am
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My pastor owns the house his parents left him and he spends his time there on his days off and plans to retire there. I know several priests who own vacation homes and one who even own rental property and gets an income from that. These are diocesan priests not vowed religious priests. There are also priests I know who own boats, time shares, go on fantastic vacations, and other extravagant things. I don't have a problem with that as long as they are basically living within their means and are not using parish contributions to buy these things.
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Can a priest own property? A house? What if his family left him some land or house or cottage on a lake?
Yes, unless he belongs to a Congregation or Order where he has taken a vow of poverty. I believe in that case the property left to him would become the Congregation/Order's property.

The pastor who married us and baptized our first two children built himself a house on the waterfront and didn't stay in the rectory after office hours, telling the parish that he was entitled to his privacy and time off just like everyone else.
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My pastor owns the house his parents left him and he spends his time there on his days off and plans to retire there. I know several priests who own vacation homes and one who even own rental property and gets an income from that. These are diocesan priests not vowed religious priests. There are also priests I know who own boats, time shares, go on fantastic vacations, and other extravagant things. I don't have a problem with that as long as they are basically living within their means and are not using parish contributions to buy these things.
Your post reminded me of that Franciscan-Jesuit joke. A Franciscan priest a few weeks ago, shared it with the congregation during his homily. In case some of you haven't heard it yet:

A man walked up to a Franciscan and Jesuit and asked, "How many novenas must you say to get a Mercedes Benz?"

The Franciscan asked, "What's a Mercedes Benz?"

The Jesuit asked, "What's a novena?"


Ah, it always makes me chuckle
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Your post reminded me of that Franciscan-Jesuit joke. A Franciscan priest a few weeks ago, shared it with the congregation during his homily. In case some of you haven't heard it yet:

A man walked up to a Franciscan and Jesuit and asked, "How many novenas must you say to get a Mercedes Benz?"

The Franciscan asked, "What's a Mercedes Benz?"

The Jesuit asked, "What's a novena?"

Ah, it always makes me chuckle

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Your post reminded me of that Franciscan-Jesuit joke. A Franciscan priest a few weeks ago, shared it with the congregation during his homily. In case some of you haven't heard it yet:

A man walked up to a Franciscan and Jesuit and asked, "How many novenas must you say to get a Mercedes Benz?"

The Franciscan asked, "What's a Mercedes Benz?"

The Jesuit asked, "What's a novena?"


Ah, it always makes me chuckle


OOOOHHHH!! That is such a good one....

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Old Mar 6, '09, 7:09 pm
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There is no problem with a priest (who is not vowed to poverty) owning property. But when it starts to get to owning fancy things or taking extravagant trips, there is a problem. It's not just that priests ought in principle to imitate Jesus' poverty. It's that they are canonically bound to live simply. Now, if a priest is stocking up money for his retirement that doesn't mean we can look at his bottom line and say he is worth altogether too much, but if his lifestyle couldn't reasonably be described as simple (not Amish plain, just reasonably frugal and simple) then he's living beyond what he is supposed to.
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Than you for all your replies. One priest does own a cottage and another owns nothing. I think that he has taken a vow of poverty. I think the ones in our cluster own their own vehicles. Or they lease. I always thought that a priest had to as an imperative to be a priest to take a vow of poverty. My misconception. There are a group of priests, four or five I think that are retired that live in Madison but they still fill in. They live in a big house together sharing their duties, but I don't know who owns the house. It doesn't really matter. I believe they also live there or decided to retire there to pray for that poor city that is becoming a capital for abortion.
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A couple of years ago the priests in this diocese were given a small raise and required to buy their own cars, as opposed to having the parish own them. It was because of a liability issue.
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A couple of years ago the priests in this diocese were given a small raise and required to buy their own cars, as opposed to having the parish own them. It was because of a liability issue.
In our diocese the secular priests have their own cars and as part of their salary are paid a car allowance. The religious priests use cars belonging to the diocese and the parishes are responsible for the gas, maintenance, registration and insurance.
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Your post reminded me of that Franciscan-Jesuit joke. A Franciscan priest a few weeks ago, shared it with the congregation during his homily. In case some of you haven't heard it yet:

A man walked up to a Franciscan and Jesuit and asked, "How many novenas must you say to get a Mercedes Benz?"

The Franciscan asked, "What's a Mercedes Benz?"

The Jesuit asked, "What's a novena?"


Ah, it always makes me chuckle
I tried to tell that joke to my fiance (who's gone to Jesuit schools his whole life) and his response was, "Cute. Seriously, though, what's a novena?" You can take the boy out of the Jesuit schools but you can't take the Jesuit schools out of the boy...
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