End times, eh? What brings you here? - Page 3

SHW · #31 Jun 2, '09, 2:07 am

Continued....

“The Son of Corruption and Ruin will appear and reign for only a short time, towards the end of the days of the world's duration; the period which corresponds to the moment when the sun has disappeared beyond the horizon; that is to say he shall come at the last days of the world. He will not be Satan himself, but a human being equalling and resembling him in atrocious hideousness. His mother, a depraved woman possessed by the devil, will live as a prostitute in the desert. She will declare that she is ignorant as to the identity of his father, and will maintain that her son was presented to her by God in a supernatural manner, as was the Child of the Blessed Virgin. She will then be venerated as a saint by deceived people.

Antichrist will come from a land that lies between two seas, and will practise his tyranny in the East. After his birth false teachers and doctrines will appear, followed by wars, famines, and pestilence. His mother will seldom let any one see him, and yet by magic art, she will manage to gain the love of the people for him. He will be raised at different secret places and will be kept in seclusion until full grown. When he has grown to full manhood he will publicly announce a hostile doctrine on religion.

He will lure and attract the people to himself by granting them complete exemption from the observance of all divine and ecclesiastical commandments, by forgiving them their sins and requiring of them only their belief in his divinity. He will spurn and reject baptism and the gospel. He will open his mouth to preach contradiction. He will say, `Jesus of Nazareth is not the son of God, only a deceiver who gave himself out as God; and the Church instituted by him is only superstition'. The true Christ has come in his person. He will say, `I am the Saviour of the world'. Especially will he try to convince the Jews that he is the Messiah sent by God, and the Jews will accept him as such. His doctrine of faith will be taken from the Jewish religion and seemingly will not differ much from the fundamental doctrine of Christianity, for he will teach that there is one God who created the world, who is omniscient and knows the thoughts of man and is just, who rewards the obeyers of his commands and the trespassers he chastises, who raises all from the dead in due time.

This God has spoken through Moses and the Prophets, therefore the precepts of the Mosaic laws are to be kept, especially circumcision and keeping the Sabbath, yet by his moral laws he will try to reverse all order on earth. Therefore he is called in Holy Writ the `Lawless One'. He will think that he can change time and laws. He will discard all laws, morals and religious principles, to draw the world to himself. He will grant entire freedom from the commandments of God and the Church and permit everyone to live as his passions dictate.

By doing so he hopes to be acknowledged by the people as deliverer from the yoke, and as the cause of prosperity in the world. Religion he will endeavour to make convenient. He will say that you need not fast and embitter your life by renunciation, as the people of former times did when they had no sense of God's goodness. It will suffice to love God. He will let the people feast to their heart's content so that they will pity the unfortunate people of former centuries.

He will preach free love and tear asunder family ties. He will scorn everything holy, and he will ridicule all graces of the Church with devilish mockery. He will condemn humility and foster proud and gruesome dogmas. He will tear down that which God has taught in the Old and New Testament and maintain sin and vice are not sin and vice. Briefly he will declare the road to Hell is the way to Heaven…” 12 -- St. Hildegard

“When the great ruler (the Great Monarch who is to rule Europe after the collapse of Communism) exterminates the Turks almost entirely, one of the remaining Mohammadans will be converted, become a priest bishop and cardinal, and when the new pope is elected (immediately before Antichrist) this cardinal will kill the pope before he is crowned, through jealousy, wishing to be pope himself; then when the other cardinals elect the next pope this cardinal will proclaim himself Anti-pope, and two-thirds of the Christians will go with him. He, as well as Antichrist, are descendants of the tribe of Dan. The mark (of Antichrist) will be a hellish symbol of Baptism, because thereby a person will be stamped as an adherent of Antichrist and also of the Devil in that he thereby gives himself over to the influence of Satan. " -- St. Hildegard

“As soon as he is born, he will have teeth and pronounce blasphemies; in short, he will be a born devil. He will emit fearful cries, work miracles, and wallow in luxury and vice. He will have brothers who are also demons incarnate, and at the age of twelve, they will distinguish themselves in brilliant achievements. They will command an armed force, which will be supported by the infernal legions.” 29 -- St. Hildegard

to be continued....

SHW · #32 Jun 2, '09, 2:09 am

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He, Antichrist, will be possessed from birth on.

"Antichrist will be born near Babylon. He will win the support of many with gifts and money. He will sell himself to the devil and thereafter will have no guardian angel or conscience." 3

“Satan shall exercise his influence over all the powers of the antichrist both over his body and of his soul – namely his will, his intellect and his memory” 4

“Nor do me think him to be the devil or a demon as some others do but one of mankind in whom Satan shall dwell totally…for he is the man of sin, the son of perdition, such that he will seat himself in the Temple as if he were God.” 5 -- St. Jerome

"It will be during this time that the Antichrist will be born of a Hebrew nun, a false virgin who will communicate with the old serpent, the master of impurity, his father will be a Bishop. At birth, he will spew out blasphemy; he will have teeth, in a word, he will be the devil incarnate. He will scream horribly, he will perform wonders, he will feed on nothing but impurity. He will have brothers who, although not devils incarnate like him, will be children of evil. At the age of twelve, they will draw attention upon themselves by the gallant victories they will have won; soon they will each lead armies, aided by the legions of hell." -- La Salette

I think that "Nephilim" are actually the descendants of Seth and Cain, but described with "ancient imagery," so it is extremely confusing.

nancy dalrymple · #33 Jun 3, '09, 5:33 pm

Please can you tell me where you are getting all your information on this? is there a book you have i can study, so I can learn your way? I have been taught from another church and i realy want to know how you come to interpret in the way you do and you have numbers your reading from? SHW can you answer? Love of Christ Nancy

SHW · #34 Jun 3, '09, 11:03 pm

I get my information from various places. I have done a lot of research over the years, but I prefer a Catholic interpretation rather than a Protestant interpretation of Scripture and "End Times" prophecies.

You can find most of the information contained in my previous post on the catholicrevelations.org website.

This website has both approved and unapproved prophecies and I only pay attention to the ones approved by the Church.

It is most important to learn about the Catholic faith, rather than to learn about prophecy, however.

nancy dalrymple · #35 Jun 5, '09, 7:39 pm

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Originally Posted by SHW

I get my information from various places. I have done a lot of research over the years, but I prefer a Catholic interpretation rather than a Protestant interpretation of Scripture and "End Times" prophecies.

You can find most of the information contained in my previous post on the catholicrevelations.org website.

This website has both approved and unapproved prophecies and I only pay attention to the ones approved by the Church.

It is most important to learn about the Catholic faith, rather than to learn about prophecy, however.

Thank You. Who gives them authority to remove the scripture? Or approve and disaprove? LOL Nancy

SHW · #36 Jun 5, '09, 8:39 pm

No one has the authority to remove Scriptures from the Bible. The "canons" are closed forever.

The Catholic Church has the authority from God to approve of private revelation/prophecy or disapprove of private revelation/prophecy or even never make a decision on it.

nancy dalrymple · #37 Jun 5, '09, 8:54 pm

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Originally Posted by SHW

No one has the authority to remove Scriptures from the Bible. The "canons" are closed forever.

The Catholic Church has the authority from God to approve of private revelation/prophecy or disapprove of private revelation/prophecy or even never make a decision on it.

HI! you know there are alot of people how don't know that and i was one of them. for a long time protestants claim that the Catholic church left out alot of information about other writings that they called heriseys
Love of Christ Nancy, and I know the protestants have alot of scripture left out of KJV.

dmfette · #38 Jul 7, '09, 8:30 pm

...peace be with you...really...

...what brings me here?...it has been a very long road -

i asked what appeared to be a woman once, "what if there was no tears, or death, or evil of any kind...if there was no dominion to be left of evil in this world and all of creation was washed clean and made whole and good again"...she replied, "i like it just the way it is"...if looks could kill...

...i was wondering if there might be others who have experienced things such as i have that compel me to pray, "let heaven be married unto the earth"...

...peace--->mark

Lmora · #39 Jul 14, '09, 8:02 pm

Hi!

I just joined this site today. What brings me here is my Love for Jesus and Mary. I have read on another site that wording in the Bibles are being changed. This is not right and should be stopped. I did read about a quote from Jesus. Jesus was quoted as saying; get a Bible that is dated 1965 or before. Man is changing the wording in the new Bibles and man is also changing everything to suit his needs. I went out to a store the other day, because I was curious and I looked at the new Bibles. The new Bibles do not even have a Cross on them! I believe a Bible should have a Cross on the front cover. I just ordered a 1964 Bible and should be recieving it shortly. I am going to investigate and compare my newer version to the older one. I am very interested in Revelations, but I want to get the full, true story on ; revelation; John the apocalypse and the end times. I will see if it differs at all.Meanwhile, does anyone have the old Bible on revelations? And does it differ than what is in the newer ones?

Muzhik · #40 Jul 14, '09, 8:42 pm

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Originally Posted by Lmora

Hi!

I just joined this site today. What brings me here is my Love for Jesus and Mary. I have read on another site that wording in the Bibles are being changed. This is not right and should be stopped. I did read about a quote from Jesus. Jesus was quoted as saying; get a Bible that is dated 1965 or before. Man is changing the wording in the new Bibles and man is also changing everything to suit his needs. I went out to a store the other day, because I was curious and I looked at the new Bibles. The new Bibles do not even have a Cross on them! I believe a Bible should have a Cross on the front cover. I just ordered a 1964 Bible and should be recieving it shortly. I am going to investigate and compare my newer version to the older one. I am very interested in Revelations, but I want to get the full, true story on ; revelation; John the apocalypse and the end times. I will see if it differs at all.Meanwhile, does anyone have the old Bible on revelations? And does it differ than what is in the newer ones?

Lmora, Shalom! and Welcome! I have to tell you, if Jesus said that, then that was a private revelation. It may or may not be true. I'm inclined to disbelieve it. Scripture was not written in English. It was written in a number of different languages, primarily Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. The only way you're going to get an unadulterated version of Scripture is to read it in the original languages.

Unless you've spent the years to become fluent in these languages, then you're going to be reading a translation. My guess is whoever claimed that "...Man is changing the wording in the new Bibles" is someone who believes the King James Version of the Bible is the be-all-and-end-all ultimate English language translation, others need not apply. This, to me, is the vanity of men. Languages change with time and culture: "awful" now means something bad; it's original meaning was good: to be filled with awe. As our understanding of the culture and language used at the time of Jesus and before improves, so does our ability to make more accurate translations of Scripture.

Ask around to see if you can find an English translation that appeals to you. If you're interested in Bible study, don't be afraid to get a number of different translations to compare. By comparing different translations and how the different translation committees have chosen to translate certain sections, you can get a better idea of what the original text says. You may want to check into an interlinear bible, where different translations are printed side-by-side. Right now I'm using the St. Joseph edition, mostly because it's paperback and fits next to my bed.

Lmora · #41 Jul 15, '09, 12:32 am

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Originally Posted by Muzhik

Lmora, Shalom! and Welcome! I have to tell you, if Jesus said that, then that was a private revelation. It may or may not be true. I'm inclined to disbelieve it. Scripture was not written in English. It was written in a number of different languages, primarily Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. The only way you're going to get an unadulterated version of Scripture is to read it in the original languages.

Unless you've spent the years to become fluent in these languages, then you're going to be reading a translation. My guess is whoever claimed that "...Man is changing the wording in the new Bibles" is someone who believes the King James Version of the Bible is the be-all-and-end-all ultimate English language translation, others need not apply. This, to me, is the vanity of men. Languages change with time and culture: "awful" now means something bad; it's original meaning was good: to be filled with awe. As our understanding of the culture and language used at the time of Jesus and before improves, so does our ability to make more accurate translations of Scripture.

Ask around to see if you can find an English translation that appeals to you. If you're interested in Bible study, don't be afraid to get a number of different translations to compare. By comparing different translations and how the different translation committees have chosen to translate certain sections, you can get a better idea of what the original text says. You may want to check into an interlinear bible, where different translations are printed side-by-side. Right now I'm using the St. Joseph edition, mostly because it's paperback and fits next to my bed.

Hi, I am sorry if I failed to mention that the Jesus quote came from The Our Lady Of The Roses, Shrine, In Bayside NY, Veronica Luekin was the seer of Bayside when she recieved these messages from Jesus and Mary up until Veronica's death in 1995. The Shrine still stands today. So, the quote will not be in any Bible about the Bibles from 1965 and below. If you are interested, it is in the "Directives From Heaven." at www.tldm.org That stands for The Latter Day Ministries. Not to be confused with Latter Day Saints. This is a Catholic website and has loads of information. It has about 365 different Directives from Heaven. Everything from the Pope to the Churches to what is going on today. It has everything from the Preists and how many people have fallen to the ways of the modernized world. And how everyone should change their ways by praying a constant villigence of prayer the way of the Rosary.

Muzhik · #42 Jul 15, '09, 10:03 am

Lmora, the Peace of Christ Jesus be with you.

Please be advised that the apparitions and revelations claimed by Veronica Luekin in Bayside, NY, have been declared by the Magisterium to be unauthentic. Catholics who are faithful to the Magisterium are not to promote Veronica Luekin or any of the messages she claimed to have received. We are not to follow any of the directives given in any of the messages nor use any of the messages for spiritual comfort or guidance.

Yours in Christ,

Muzhik

Lmora · #43 Jul 15, '09, 3:09 pm

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Originally Posted by Muzhik

Lmora, the Peace of Christ Jesus be with you.

Please be advised that the apparitions and revelations claimed by Veronica Luekin in Bayside, NY, have been declared by the Magisterium to be unauthentic. Catholics who are faithful to the Magisterium are not to promote Veronica Luekin or any of the messages she claimed to have received. We are not to follow any of the directives given in any of the messages nor use any of the messages for spiritual comfort or guidance.

Yours in Christ,

Muzhik

Muzhik. please be advised that the world is changing very rapidly and even the Churches and the Priests and Bishops are changing, so we must pray for all of them. Satan has entered the Churches. The Priests are giving communion in the hand, which is not supposed to be given in the hand. Communion is to be recieved on the tongue. The old ways of the Churches have changed. People walk in with shorts on, radios and cell phones in their hands and the women do not wear head coverings. I have witnessed this myself. It is all wrong! And whoever gave the permission that it was ok to eat meat on fridays during lent? God does not change his ways and did not change that, man did! The Priests do not say the St. Michael Prayer. In other words, by the Priests not saying the Prayer to St. Michael, they have removed St. Michael from the Churches. Which proves my point that by removing St. Michael, satan has entered. We must go back to the old ways of doing things.If we do not go back and if we do not pray a constant villigence of prayer (Rosary) the world will be chastised.It is in Revelations.

Lmora · #44 Jul 15, '09, 3:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Lmora

Muzhik. please be advised that the world is changing very rapidly and even the Churches and the Priests and Bishops are changing, so we must pray for all of them. Satan has entered the Churches. The Priests are giving communion in the hand, which is not supposed to be given in the hand. Communion is to be recieved on the tongue. The old ways of the Churches have changed. People walk in with shorts on, radios and cell phones in their hands and the women do not wear head coverings. I have witnessed this myself. It is all wrong! And whoever gave the permission that it was ok to eat meat on fridays during lent? God does not change his ways and did not change that, man did! The Priests do not say the St. Michael Prayer. In other words, by the Priests not saying the Prayer to St. Michael, they have removed St. Michael from the Churches. Which proves my point that by removing St. Michael, satan has entered. We must go back to the old ways of doing things.If we do not go back and if we do not pray a constant villigence of prayer (Rosary) the world will be chastised.It is in Revelations.

If I may add, why does everyone ask for proof? Isn't the way God made the world in it's original way, shape and form,, proof enough?

Lmora · #45 Jul 15, '09, 5:48 pm

By the way, I just found out through a friend of mine that they just closed three Churches in Rhode Island. Which proves that people have turned away from God. No one was going and that is sad. I believe if all want to know what is coming then you should check out this website: www.tldm.org It stands for "The Last Day Ministries." I correct my self earlier by saying The Latter Days Ministries. It is LAST not Latter,.