SPLIT: Is Confession not necessary? - Page 14

CentralFLJames · #**196** Mar 31, '09, 3:48 pm

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Originally Posted by Iamnotafraid

Confession isn't necessary for me.

When I rejected my Christian faith and denied the existence of God.

My faith melted away and so did my guilt, anxiety and shame.

Actually faith is essential to you. Atheists are the most faithful of all people since they have faith in their infallability that they know there is no God and are faithful there is no consequence to being wrong. The anxiety comes again on the back end...

James

Iamnotafraid · #**197** Mar 31, '09, 3:50 pm

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Originally Posted by ralphy

I am covered by His blood and therefor I am redeemed.

I took a shower, washing all that blood away.

Iamnotafraid · #**198** Mar 31, '09, 3:52 pm

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Originally Posted by CentralFLJames

Actually faith is essential to you. Atheists are the most faithful of all people since they have faith in their infallability that they know there is no God and are faithful there is no consequence to being wrong. The anxiety comes again on the back end...

James

Your speaking for me? How odd.

I repeat, when I left the Church and realized that God was not real, my anxiety, guilt and shame drifted away as well.

Believe what you want, but don't pretend that you can speak for me, let alone all of the non-believers in the world.

CentralFLJames · #**199** Mar 31, '09, 3:57 pm

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Originally Posted by Iamnotafraid

Your speaking for me? How odd.

I repeat, when I left the Church and realized that God was not real, my anxiety, guilt and shame drifted away as well.

Believe what you want, but don't pretend that you can speak for me, let alone all of the non-believers in the world.

Believe what you want - as you have. The truth is that you put all your faith in yourself. That is a fact that you can't refute without admitting you're irrational and arbitrary. Tell us how you arrived at the certainty of your faith if you would be so kind to share? Was it a flip of the coin or a sudden inner epiphany - as if from an inner god?

James

PJM · #**200** Mar 31, '09, 4:03 pm

A statement and a question

Here is what God has to say on the question you ask:

John 20:"1Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you." 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."

John 1: 8 "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10* If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us".

Mt. 16: 18* And I tell you, you are Peter, * and on this rock * I will build my church, and the powers of death * shall not prevail against it. 19* I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Question? This is what God say's so what is your opinion?

Love and prayers,

Iamnotafraid · #**201** Mar 31, '09, 4:29 pm

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Originally Posted by CentralFLJames

Believe what you want - as you have. The truth is that you put all your faith in yourself. That is a fact that you can't refute without admitting you're irrational and arbitrary. Tell us how you arrived at the certainty of your faith if you would be so kind to share? Was it a flip of the coin or a sudden inner epiphany - as if from an inner god?

James

It was a slow process. I had to overcome a fair amount of inner fear in challenging myself to question whether or not a God exists, let alone my Christian God.

I worked up the courage, studied my faith and the more I studied, the more my faith dwindled.

In essence, it was the full realization that we are natural animals, living in a natural world, within a natural universe, completely absent of any kind of a supernatural Deity.

I don't have any faith, as faith is necessary for belief in the absence of evidence. Those days are well behind me.

Iamnotafraid · #**202** Mar 31, '09, 4:32 pm

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Originally Posted by CentralFLJames

That is a fact that you can't refute without admitting you're irrational and arbitrary.

Irrational is believing in something that cannot be sensed, let alone proven.

Arbitrary is choosing which God you will believe in, amongst all of the choices that are available to humans.

ralphy · #**203** Mar 31, '09, 4:54 pm

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Originally Posted by Iamnotafraid

It was a slow process. I had to overcome a fair amount of inner fear in challenging myself to question whether or not a God exists, let alone my Christian God.

I worked up the courage, studied my faith and the more I studied, the more my faith dwindled.

In essence, it was the full realization that we are natural animals, living in a natural world, within a natural universe, completely absent of any kind of a supernatural Deity.

I don't have any faith, as faith is necessary for belief in the absence of evidence. Those days are well behind me.

The bible talks about people like you. My heart goes out to you for I know from the bible where you will spend eternity. I humbly ask you to reconsider what you are doing. Surely you don't believe that this universe came from a big explosion, start there and consider that, even look at a flower and see how it is formed, not by chance. Your soul is worth more than the whole world, please don't throw it away.There is a God and He loves you. Ralph

ralphy · #**204** Mar 31, '09, 5:04 pm

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Originally Posted by PJM

A statement and a question

Here is what God has to say on the question you ask:

John 20:"1Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you." 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."

John 1: 8 "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10* If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us".

Mt. 16: 18* And I tell you, you are Peter, * and on this rock * I will build my church, and the powers of death * shall not prevail against it. 19* I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Question? This is what God say's so what is your opinion?

Love and prayers,

You surely cannot believe that Christ would build His church on a human sinner as Peter was, just like we all are. Ralph

CentralFLJames · #**205** Mar 31, '09, 5:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Iamnotafraid

Irrational is believing in something that cannot be sensed, let alone proven.

Arbitrary is choosing which God you will believe in, amongst all of the choices that are available to humans.

relying on mere chemical impulse and cellular sensory perception is not going to let you participate in witnessing the majority of the known universe Iamnotafraid. Dark matter can not be sensed by any human sensory means and it is the predominant matter of the universe. Likewise you can not see acceleration, gravity, velocity, inertia, morals etc. and yet all these things we know exist in more than abstract ways. True some can be felt in some manner - but one can not identify these attributes as physical essences that can be touched or held etc. Where does the sense of justice and fairness come from? It has to be more than a mere survival instinct - but if we concede even that - where do instincts come from?

Perhaps the finest proof for God's existence that Science has ever come up with is discovering Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principal - a minimum time-quantum related to plank's constant whose interval is so short that we can not observe both location and position of particle-wave natures of matter in that short interval except by approximation and guessing. We can observe one or the other but not both. This is a "natural" "reasonable doubt" built into nature that makes humankind admit that it can never know all things; to deny this principal is to fall into the error of supreme hubris or pride. In this small window of time anything in the universe can come into existence spontaneously and then disappear and never be known except by a discontinuity in its effects. My own theory is that God operates mostly through natural laws but may intervene transparently at any moment in time through Heisenberg's uncertainty principal and not upset anything in nature yet work supernatural miracles that manifest themselves in the natural word. God tinkers when it suits his Divine Plan.

I won't derail this thread on a sidebar topic but I will pray you get your faith back - it is a gift and it may be that God wants to make you come to realize that so you will value it and not lose it again. Hopefully you will find it quickly since we never know what our gift of life is up too and that can also be lost at any time.

God Bless,
James

CentralFLJames · #**206** Mar 31, '09, 5:09 pm

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Originally Posted by ralphy

You surely cannot believe that Christ would build His church on a human sinner as Peter was, just like we all are. Ralph

You surely don't disbelieve Jesus or God's Word do you?

Matthew 16:18
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

James

Iamnotafraid · #**207** Mar 31, '09, 5:16 pm

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Originally Posted by ralphy

The bible talks about people like you. My heart goes out to you for I know from the bible where you will spend eternity. I humbly ask you to reconsider what you are doing. Surely you don't believe that this universe came from a big explosion, start there and consider that, even look at a flower and see how it is formed, not by chance. Your soul is worth more than the whole world, please don't throw it away.There is a God and He loves you. Ralph

Ralph, your preaching to the choir. Only, I chose to leave the choir.

Jerry Marino · #**208** Mar 31, '09, 5:36 pm

sometimes it is better to turn a deaf ear, sometimes it is better be mute.

Bruno Schulz · #**209** Apr 1, '09, 12:23 am

Iamnotafraid; you have to sing and whistle and call out “I am not afraid” all the time in this dark surrounding your soul finds herself, because you can’t prove the nonexistence of God – you simply denied the existence of God.

Ralph gave you a very good answer: “The bible talks about people like you. Reconsider what you are doing…”.

Though Ralph goes on “There is a God and He loves you” - don’t relay on that (“for just in tcase it’s true after all Imnotafraid forces himself to believe”). Too many say: God can’t else but love. That’s wrong. God can and will condemn those who sneer at Him. See Galatians 6,7:
Make no mistake: God is not mocked, for a person will reap only what he sows!

One of the many evidences that you are absolutely unsure of your “strong” words, like “I realized that God is not real” is the fact, that you keep writing/reading here in a Catholic Forum, where you know that you earn indulgent objections only. And be reasonable! How can you REALIZE anything that is unprovable?!

Christans though, after really living in God, do REALIZE the unprovable, as they soon strongly feel the presence of God. As you recect, you'll never know that feeling. But you will see one day!

Iamnotafraid · #**210** Apr 1, '09, 3:54 am

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Originally Posted by Bruno Schulz

One of the many evidences that you are absolutely unsure of your “strong” words, like “I realized that God is not real” is the fact, that you keep writing/reading here in a Catholic Forum, where you know that you earn indulgent objections only. And be reasonable! How can you REALIZE anything that is unprovable?!

Christans though, after really living in God, do REALIZE the unprovable,

I also partake in free thinkers forums and am not one to surround myself only with like minded people.

You accuse of me an absurdity, of coming to a realization that I do not believe in a God that cannot be proven to exist.

You then create a false distinction, that it is perfectly Ok for a religious to realize that a God that cannot be proven to exist, does exist.