The Mark of the Beast

[swariffin]

Originally Posted by Lapell

That's Scriptures in Spanish... and maybe in Ladino too!

Actually I meant what scriptures does Ben Masada believe in? Thanks for your reply anyway.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by JharekCarnelian

Deal with what I am actually saying and not your persecution complex which is already well developed. I do not hate the Jewish people or any other people or religous group en masse, I do however hate attitudes that suggest one group is so much more civilsed than other groups that the latter should be 'thankful' for the wit of their superior minds.If that is hate so be it - your attitude on this forum is composed of a strange mix of virulent bigotry and a schizophrenic switch between a superiority and an inferiority complex.

I am proud of my own people and my own country but they are only human as are Jewish or American or any other people. I do not think God will be sitting there in the final analysis saying been Jewish, Polish,Irish, American etc. will earn you any brownie points in his eyes. He will judge us by our hidden hearts and by our characters and that is why we should all be fearful of his judgement.

I thought ad hominem was forbidden in this forum.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by swariffin

Jesus confirm that He is the son of God in front of Kayafas and his gang

He did not! This is a NT conspiracy to blame the Jews with the death of Jesus and set the Romans innocent.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by swariffin

Did the Jewish in Egypt sacrifice the sheep by order of Moses in a Temple?

Moses never ordered anyone to sacrifice a sheep in a temple.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by swariffin

What is your Escritura?

The same that Jesus used to handle and to call it "Word of God."

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by swariffin

You are really funny thinking that a Jew or Jews cannot leave Judaism.

If you are referring to Jesus and John the Immerser, be sure that they were born Jewish, lived their lives Jewishly, and died as Jews.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by SteveLohr

Ben-I'm not sure that Habukkuk makes the claim that Isreal is the Anointed of God. Habukkuk 3:13 reads:

You came out to deliver your people, to save your anointed one. You crushed the leader of the land of wickedness, you stripped him from head to foot. Selah

The word "anointed" is Strong's H4899 which Strong's defines as:

מָשִׁיחַ

mâshı̂yach

maw-shee'-akh

From H4886; anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically the Messiah:—anointed, Messiah.

In contrast, "your people" is H5971, which Strong's defines as

עַם

ʽam

am

From H6004; a people (as a congregated unit); specifically a tribe (as those of Israel); hence (collectively) troops or attendants; figuratively a flock:—folk, men, nation, people.

In other words, it appears to "anointed one" refers to an individual, not a collective group of people. This verse appears to be a reference to the end times, when the antichrist attempts to persecutes both Israel and the Messiah, but is defeated. I agree that the antichrist will be antisemtic. I'm not so sure about the obverse of that argument. Despite the fact that antisemitism is a serious sin, I tend to doubt that anyone who is antisemetic is of the antichrist.

Regards,
SteveLohr

I am not surprised Steve. I never expected that a Catholic should agree that an anti-Semite is part of the Antichrist. And with regards to the Anointed of God being the People, as I clearly understand from Habakkuk 3:13, you have all the right in the world to accept what appears to you. I stay with the Jewish interpretation of that Jewish text.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by Lapell

For one thing, the crowds following Jesus were thinking that Jesus was the promised Messiah. Why would they have chanted: "Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the Name of the Lord!" when he came into Jerusalem on a donkey's back?
The Jewish authorities saw that because of him the Romans might come and do much damage to the Jewish people (which they did anyway when they destroyed the Temple of Jerusalem in 70 after the Jews revolted and later when the Jews revolted again, along with Bar Kochba...).
The main reason why they wanted to kill him, though, was because they thought him to have uttered a blasphemy by speaking of himself as being an equal to God, or even God Almighty ("Before Abraham was, I AM.")

Wow! This is amazing! So, the reason why the Jewish leaders wanted Jesus killed is because they THOUGHT he had uttered a blasphemy. This is getting serious by the minute. The Sanhedrin, the great paragon of Justice, condemned an innocent man because of what they THOUGHT he had said.

Listen Lapell, do you think Jews are morons or so stupid as to go for such an absurd of ignorance? Please, give us some credit for Heaven's sake!

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by Lapell

They felt bound to do what the Torah asked to do in such a case. Even though I must say I am surprised at such a gut reaction when they hear a Jew say what they consider to be a blasphemy, like when deacon Stephanos was stoned in the Acts of the Apostles (chapters 6 and maybe 7)...
In Jesus' case, the timing was against them. Passover had begun. That's why he wasn't stoned, but brought to the Romans.

Here is another one to make one startle: The Jewish leaders didn't execute Jesus themselves because of the Passover. So, they brought him to the Romans. I thought that it was because Israel had lost the power of jurisdition to execute any criminal, because that power had been passed to the Romans. Now, you tell me that the reason was because of the Passover. Are you going to confirm what you say or change your mind?

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by twb1621

I gave you a web site of Jews who believe in Jesus Ben, unless you are referring to the new heritage you believe in against your historic heritage. but as usual you refuse to accept reality. And what I said was you are trying to make lead float Ben, not Elisha. And you, Ben, are no Elisha.

Former Jews who believe that Jesus was Christ, have become Christians. They are no longer Jewish. When Paul delivered his speech before King Agrippa, the King did not say that Paul almost had persuaded him to believe that Jesus was Christ. His answer was that Paul had almost persuaded him to become a Christian. It is in the book of Acts.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by ryanoneil

The Anointed of God is the theocratic king, the head of God's people. Habakkuk say God comes forth to save his people and his king.

Afterward, however, David regretted that he had cut off an end of Saul's mantle. He said to his men, "The LORD forbid that I should do such a thing to my master, the LORD'S anointed, as to lay a hand on him, for he is the Lord's anointed." (1 Sam 24:6-7)

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There are anointed ones to be kings, theres are anointed ones to be priests, a place can be anointed to be a sacred place, etc, and there is anointed one to be Messiah, whose meaning of the word itself is Anointed One. Israel was anointed, and that's what the whole of the Scriptures is about.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by lapell

you haven't answered my question here, ben! Where is it said in the tanakh that you have to go by scriptures alone? Can,t you answer this simple question?

Deuteronomy 4:2.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by Lapell

That's Scriptures in Spanish... and maybe in Ladino too!

Right. I am of Sephardic orientation.

[Ben Masada]

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Originally Posted by Ben Masada

Yeah because you know paul personally! You use to hang out with him and know him to be a liar right? You sound more foolish everytime you talk! Give up the insecurities! If the Jews and the old law IS the only way then why do the Muslims own the place where the temple was? Why is there the dome of the rock? MY theory! a sign that youre poeple are vain and foolish for God sent down his only begotten son and all of you where not smart enough to recognize him! Sounds like stupidy is genitic! You sounds as foolish as a person who would claim the holocaust never existed! You are a disgrace to mankind! Grow up kid!

I thought ad hominem was forbidden in this forum.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by twb1621

Ben, you are up to this point a lot of meaningless words with no credibility so I am going to ask you once more to refute each one of the following prophecies with credibility and support rather than worthless accusations and useless egotism.

Messianic Prophecy: What Is It?
Messianic prophecy is the collection of over 100 predictions (a conservative estimate) in the Old Testament about the future Messiah of the Jewish people. These predictions were written by multiple authors, in numerous books, over approximately 1,000 years. Messianic Prophecy is so dramatic today, because with the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the reliability of the Septuagint version of the Old Testament (both of which have been proven to exist prior to the time Jesus walked on the earth) you can be assured that these prophecies were not “conspired” after-the-fact.

Messianic Prophecy: Fulfillment by Jesus Christ
Messianic prophecy was fulfilled by the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Although many Jews did not accept Jesus as their Messiah, many did, and they became the Jewish sect later known as the Christians. Christianity, based in dramatic part on the fulfillment of historical prophecy, spread rapidly throughout the Roman Empire of the 1st Century. Examine the prophecies yourself, and calculate the probability of one man fulfilling just a handful of the most specific ones, and you’ll be amazed.

“Jesus said to them, ‘This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.’” Luke 24:44 (NIV)



The Old Testament verses are the prophecy; the New Testament verses proclaim the fulfillment. Check them all out for yourself!

• Born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:21-23)
• A descendant of Abraham (Genesis 12:1-3; 22:18; Matthew 1:1; Galatians 3:16)
• Of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10; Luke 3:23, 33; Hebrews 7:14)
• Of the house of David (2 Samuel 7:12-16; Matthew 1:1)
• Born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2, Matthew 2:1; Luke 2:4-7)
• Taken to Egypt (Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:14-15)
• Herod´s killing of the infants (Jeremiah 31:15; Matthew 2:16-18)
• Anointed by the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 11:2; Matthew 3:16-17)
• Heralded by the messenger of the Lord (John the Baptist) (Isaiah 40:3-5; Malachi 3:1; Matthew 3:1-3)
• Would perform miracles (Isaiah 35:5-6; Matthew 9:35)
• Would preach good news (Isaiah 61:1; Luke 4:14-21)
• Would minister in Galilee (Isaiah 9:1; Matthew 4:12-16) Would cleanse the Temple (Malachi 3:1; Matthew 21:12-13)
• Would first present Himself as King 173,880 days from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25; Matthew 21:4-11)
• Would enter Jerusalem as a king on a donkey (Zechariah 9:9; Matthew 21:4-9)
• Would be rejected by Jews (Psalm 118:22; I Peter 2:7)
• Die a humiliating death (Psalm 22; Isaiah 53) involving:
  1. rejection (Isaiah 53:3; John 1:10-11; 7:5,48)
  2. betrayal by a friend (Psalm 41:9; Luke 22:3-4; John 13:18)
  3. sold for 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12; Matthew 26:14-15)
  4. silence before His accusers (Isaiah 53:7; Matthew 27:12-14)
  5. being mocked (Psalm 22: 7-8; Matthew 27:31)
  6. beaten (Isaiah 52:14; Matthew 27:26)
  7. spit upon (Isaiah 50:6; Matthew 27:30)
  8. piercing His hands and feet (Psalm 22:16; Matthew 27:31)
  9. being crucified with thieves (Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 27:38)
• continued...

I have answered all this before. You keep repeating the same thing over and over again. Just show me one prophecy that Jesus fulfilled personally, which could not be applied to another Jew, and we are in business. If I cannot explain to you what the prophecy is about I'll give myself up.