Organized protest at Notre Dame

[PittSteve]

We all know that Notre Dame has invited President Obama to give their commencement address and receive an honorary degree. With Notre Dame being a Catholic University this is morally unacceptable, given Mr. Obama's record of pro-abortion actions.

This is the latest turn of events in our country that is cementing my belief that the great United States of America is headed in the wrong direction. And I'm sick and tired of watching the news and seeing my country headed for hell.

As Christians, we can't sit back and watch these events on TV or read the news and pray. We MUST pray, but we also must do more.

I'm tired of sitting idly by, while our great country is hijacked.

I want to go to Notre Dame on May 17. I want to carry a big sign with a clearly marked pro-life message. I want to pray the rosary AT the University while the president's speech is being given - of course in a way that will not disrupt the graduation ceremony. I want to demonstrate that there are Catholics that don't agree with the way our Church is being represented lately, by this scandal at Notre Dame, by Sebelius, Biden, Pelosi and other pro-death Catholics.

Notre Dame isn't that far from where I live...probably 7 or 8 hours' drive. I'm going to talk to my parish priest today about going there. I'm going to get off the bleachers and onto the field. I can't sit and watch anymore. I must participate.

I don't want to be lukewarm for Christ.

Does anyone know of any organized protests at the University that I may participate in as a concerned Catholic? I've never attended the University, I'm just very concerned for our country and our Church in America.

[edwest2]

Here you are:


http://www.ndresponse.com/press.html




Try not to be angry but go in peace to love and serve the Lord. Stand as his faithful witness and pray for the conversion of hardened hearts.





Peace,
Ed

[diggerdomer]

Originally Posted by PittSteve

We all know that Notre Dame has invited President Obama to give their commencement address and receive an honorary degree. With Notre Dame being a Catholic University this is morally unacceptable, given Mr. Obama's record of pro-abortion actions.

This is the latest turn of events in our country that is cementing my belief that the great United States of America is headed in the wrong direction. And I'm sick and tired of watching the news and seeing my country headed for hell.

As Christians, we can't sit back and watch these events on TV or read the news and pray. We MUST pray, but we also must do more.

I'm tired of sitting idly by, while our great country is hijacked.

I want to go to Notre Dame on May 17. I want to carry a big sign with a clearly marked pro-life message. I want to pray the rosary AT the University while the president's speech is being given - of course in a way that will not disrupt the graduation ceremony. I want to demonstrate that there are Catholics that don't agree with the way our Church is being represented lately, by this scandal at Notre Dame, by Sebelius, Biden, Pelosi and other pro-death Catholics.

Notre Dame isn't that far from where I live...probably 7 or 8 hours' drive. I'm going to talk to my parish priest today about going there. I'm going to get off the bleachers and onto the field. I can't sit and watch anymore. I must participate.

I don't want to be lukewarm for Christ.

Does anyone know of any organized protests at the University that I may participate in as a concerned Catholic? I've never attended the University, I'm just very concerned for our country and our Church in America.

I would recommend channeling your time, energy, and money into some practical and local efforts to reduce the number of abortions, or care for those who have been traumatized by abortion. I think that will have a much more significant and lasting effect. Although, if you're more concerned for "our Church" and "America" rather than those who are victimized by abortion, by all means go to ND and participate in whatever protest you think will be effective. Best wishes.

[elts1956]

Originally Posted by diggerdomer

I would recommend channeling your time, energy, and money into some practical and local efforts to reduce the number of abortions, or care for those who have been traumatized by abortion. I think that will have a much more significant and lasting effect. Although, if you're more concerned for "our Church" and "America" rather than those who are victimized by abortion, by all means go to ND and participate in whatever protest you think will be effective. Best wishes.

Remember digger, "our Church" is the body of Christ and we mortal members. The Social Justice category of the Church, which you are valuing as being the highest of motives, doesn't have a leg to stand on without the Faith and teachings SHE gives us. This begins with the understanding of Absolute good and Intrinsic evil which seems to have escaped your thought patterns. I am thinking you are another victim of our materialistic world who believes relativism gives us the path to TRUTH.

[mapleoak]

Originally Posted by diggerdomer

I would recommend channeling your time, energy, and money into some practical and local efforts to reduce the number of abortions, or care for those who have been traumatized by abortion.

Excellent advice, though I didn't catch where the O.P. said this should not be done. How is it relevant?

I think that will have a much more significant and lasting effect. Although, if you're more concerned for "our Church" and "America" rather than those who are victimized by abortion, by all means go to ND and participate in whatever protest you think will be effective. Best wishes.

Where did the O.P. say one needs to ignore those victimized by abortion?
Victims being those killed as well as those traumatized.

[diggerdomer]

Originally Posted by elts1956

Remember digger, "our Church" is the body of Christ and we mortal members. The Social Justice category of the Church, which you are valuing as being the highest of motives, doesn't have a leg to stand on without the Faith and teachings SHE gives us. This begins with the understanding of Absolute good and Intrinsic evil which seems to have escaped your thought patterns. I am thinking you are another victim of our materialistic world who believes relativism gives us the path to TRUTH.

Your accusations are unfair based on what I've said here. If I am not clear on something or if you disagree with something please just ask me to clarify. I never said "the Social Justice category of the Church" is "the highest of motives." Likewise, I don't think the Church's teaching on intrinsic evil escapes me (and of course I assume it doesn't escape you either). And if you're implying I am a relativist, which you may not be but it sure sounds like it, that again is just a personal attack/judgment that does nothing to further conversation or dialogue or understanding of ideas and values.

[mapleoak]

Originally Posted by diggerdomer

Your accusations are unfair based on what I've said here. If I am not clear on something or if you disagree with something please just ask me to clarify. I never said "the Social Justice category of the Church" is "the highest of motives." Likewise, I don't think the Church's teaching on intrinsic evil escapes me (and of course I assume it doesn't escape you either). And if you're implying I am a relativist, which you may not be but it sure sounds like it, that again is just a personal attack/judgment that does nothing to further conversation or dialogue or understanding of ideas and values.

This doesn't reconcile the relevancy of of positing the relevancy of helping those locally in the context of the O.P.'s post.

[diggerdomer]

Originally Posted by mapleoak

This doesn't reconcile the relevancy of of positing the relevancy of helping those locally in the context of the O.P.'s post.

1. I wasn't responding to you or your posting.

2. If you think my comments are irrelevant then by all means ignore them.

3. If the OP thinks my comments are irrelevant (which they might be) and thinks it worthwhile to follow up on regarding the original post, then I am confident that the OP will do so. If not, that's fine too.

[mapleoak]

Originally Posted by diggerdomer

1. I wasn't responding to you or your posting.

2. If you think my comments are irrelevant then by all means ignore them.

3. If the OP thinks my comments are irrelevant (which they might be) and thinks it worthwhile to follow up on regarding the original post, then I am confident that the OP will do so. If not, that's fine too.

A common pro-abortion tactic is to attempt to befuddle a pro-lifer's argument with the notion that "because you are against abortion, you don't care about those who people who are alive and in need". There is not much difference between that and your attempt at "If you protest Obama's appearance at ND, you are neglecting those local folks in need".

[diggerdomer]

Originally Posted by mapleoak

A common pro-abortion tactic is to attempt to befuddle a pro-lifer's argument with the notion that "because you are against abortion, you don't care about those who people who are alive and in need". There is not much difference between that and your attempt at "If you protest Obama's appearance at ND, you are neglecting those local folks in need".

Are you accusing me of being pro-abortion? If so, wow, that's a new low.

I did not say what you put in quotation marks. If you are attributing any of those quotations to me you are simply wrong.

Please, if you want to discuss or challenge what I say or ask for clarification:

1. Refer to what I actually posted.
2. Avoid personal attacks and slurs.

[Havard]

Rather than demonstrating, the NDResponse crowd is holding nightly Rosaries of reparation at the Grotto.

I think it would make a far more profound statement if thousands of people turned out to say the Rosary together during the commencement, than if they were to do an ordinary demonstration.

[Biggie]

Originally Posted by diggerdomer

I would recommend channeling your time, energy, and money into some practical and local efforts to reduce the number of abortions, or care for those who have been traumatized by abortion. I think that will have a much more significant and lasting effect. Although, if you're more concerned for "our Church" and "America" rather than those who are victimized by abortion, by all means go to ND and participate in whatever protest you think will be effective. Best wishes.

Just curious - are concern for the unborn and concern for Church mutually exclusive propositions?

[edwest2]

Originally Posted by Havard

Rather than demonstrating, the NDResponse crowd is holding nightly Rosaries of reparation at the Grotto.

I think it would make a far more profound statement if thousands of people turned out to say the Rosary together during the commencement, than if they were to do an ordinary demonstration.

Praying the rosary is very important. It is indispensible. A visible presence and a firm stand at Notre Dame is needed. Not a protest as the world understands it but a clear message to the President and the world that being Catholic is meant for public view as well. Jesus spent much of His time among the people as well. We should show respect to the President of the United States. We should also respect and speak for the millions of dead.

I believe the Holy Spirit will answer the fervent, effectual prayers of the students.



Peace,
Ed

[Corki]

Originally Posted by diggerdomer

I would recommend channeling your time, energy, and money into some practical and local efforts to reduce the number of abortions, or care for those who have been traumatized by abortion. I think that will have a much more significant and lasting effect. Although, if you're more concerned for "our Church" and "America" rather than those who are victimized by abortion, by all means go to ND and participate in whatever protest you think will be effective. Best wishes.

Your point would be valid IF we lived in a world where we had to chose between loving and protecting all life and loving and protecting the Church. Fortunately, we don't live in that world and are called to do both.

Originally Posted by mapleoak

Excellent advice, though I didn't catch where the O.P. said this should not be done. How is it relevant?

Where did the O.P. say one needs to ignore those victimized by abortion?
Victims being those killed as well as those traumatized.

Exactly!

Originally Posted by edwest2

Praying the rosary is very important. It is indispensible. A visible presence and a firm stand at Notre Dame is needed. Not a protest as the world understands it but a clear message to the President and the world that being Catholic is meant for public view as well. Jesus spent much of His time among the people as well. We should show respect to the President of the United States. We should also respect and speak for the millions of dead.

I believe the Holy Spirit will answer the fervent, effectual prayers of the students.



Peace,
Ed

I couldn't agree more. I like the Rosary idea but it will not be visible to any but ND insiders. Prayer is powerful but we are also called to admonish the sinner and instruct the ignorant. When politicians attack the lives or the most innocent and vulnerable and institutions like ND attack the Church from within, we must not remain silent.

[Havard]

Originally Posted by Corki

I couldn't agree more. I like the Rosary idea but it will not be visible to any but ND insiders. Prayer is powerful but we are also called to admonish the sinner and instruct the ignorant. When politicians attack the lives or the most innocent and vulnerable and institutions like ND attack the Church from within, we must not remain silent.

Fox News has given a platform to the organizers, and they admonished the President as well as Father Jenkins. I'd bet the NDResponse organizers will be given another chance to come on again when the commencement takes place. Also, there are numerous press releases. And all the letters, and the web site with the petition with nearly 300,000 signors. But as to the commencement itself, I personally think the Rosary a more powerful statement. (Not saying you're wrong, just my personal feeling.)