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Old Apr 9, '09, 1:44 pm
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My son is serving tonight, and he was told to ring the bells for 10 seconds at the start of the "Gloria". Hoping to find a cue for him, I was looking up the liturgy and it said that there is no Gloria during Advent or Lent. Anyone have any ideas what's going on?
Typo on the site I was reading?

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Old Apr 9, '09, 1:47 pm
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Are you sure he isn't getting confused with the Easter Vigil Mass?
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Default Re: The Gloria at Holy Thursday Mass

Lent is officially over at the start of Mass on Holy Thursday. The Triduum is not part of Lent.

So no problem with the Gloria. The Gloria is supposed be said/sung on Holy Thursday.
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Old Apr 9, '09, 2:31 pm
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Default Re: The Gloria at Holy Thursday Mass

There are also a couple of days within Lent that are solemnities that call for the Gloria also:

St. Joseph and the Annunciation.
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Old Apr 9, '09, 2:49 pm
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Old Apr 9, '09, 7:35 pm
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Ok, a little late, but so as to quash all doubt for the future, this is what the rubrics of the Missale Romanum, editio typica tertia says with regards the Mass of the Lord's Supper:

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7. Dicitur Gloria in excélsis. Dum cantatur hymnus, pulsantur campanae, eoque expleto, silent usque ad Glória in excélsis Vigiliae paschalis, nisi Episcopus diocesanus, pro opportunitate, aliud statuerit. Item, eodem tempore organum aliaque musica instrumenta adhiberi possunt tantummodo ad cantum sustentandum.
Sorry, English translation is still not available for a couple of years more. But it basically says that the Gloria is said. When the Gloris is chanted, bells are rung which will then remain silent until the Easter Vigil (unless the diocesan Bishop decides otherwise). Similarly, the organ and other musical intruments should be played only at the level necessary to sustain singing.
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Old Apr 9, '09, 7:35 pm
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Hi all,
My son is serving tonight, and he was told to ring the bells for 10 seconds at the start of the "Gloria". Hoping to find a cue for him, I was looking up the liturgy and it said that there is no Gloria during Advent or Lent. Anyone have any ideas what's going on?
Typo on the site I was reading?

TIA
Recalling my altar boy days, with the old form of the mass. The "Gloria in Excelsis Deo" was intoned, we rang everything we could get our hands on, and max organ, for some period [quantity prevailed over quality]. Then the Gloria was completed with no instruments. There were no bells until The Gloria was intoned at the Vigil on Saturday when again we rang everything available and the organ returned to life. We worked hard at "Make a joyful noise to the Lord." For the rest of Thursday and Friday we used a wooden clapper wherever a bell would ordinarily be rung.
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Default Re: The Gloria at Holy Thursday Mass

We sang the Gloria tonight as well...I also wondered, thanks for posting this.
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We had a sung Gloria at the Mass of the Oils at the Cathedral on Tuesday. I found it strange.
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We did not, and I found that strange.
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We had a sung Gloria at the Mass of the Oils at the Cathedral on Tuesday. I found it strange.
Why?
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Old Apr 9, '09, 10:43 pm
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Default Re: The Gloria at Holy Thursday Mass

The Gloria is also to be sung for the Chrism Mass:

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Ad Missam chrismatis

2. Benedictio olei infirmorum, olei catechumenorum et consecratio chrismatis fit ab Episcopo, secundum Ordinem in Pontificali Romano descriptum, de more hac die, in Missa propria horis matutinis celebranda.
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6. Ant. ad introitum Ap 1,6 Iesus Christus fecit nos regnum et sacerdótes Deo et Patri suo: ipsi glória et impérium in saecula saeculórum. Amen.

Dicitur Gloria in excélsis.
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I found it strange that we sung the Gloria simply because we were still in Lent. I did not know of the rule that peregrinus_sg has pointed out.
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Yes, the Gloria sung during Holy Thursday. Traditionally, the bells of the church were rung during the Holy Thursday Gloria then silenced until the Gloria on the Easter Vigil (one of my parents said that as a child, their Vigil dinner, which for Italains rtraditionally contained lots of meat, cheese and eggs, began when they heard the first bells of the church during the Gloria).

In most churches, the bells are silenced. In more traditionalist churches, a wood block is used in place of the bells during the Eurcharistic prayer.

When I was an altar boy, I think I loved Holy Thursday Mass the best. All the servers (and there were usually about 6 of us for that Mass) would be given bells to ring during the Gloria, to supplement the church bells. It also was a very high and solemn Mass at a time when then churches were moving to less formal Masses. We also were able to do a short procession from the Church to the school, with the Hosts for Good Friday.
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Here is what Paschale Solemnitatis notes about the Gloria for Holy Thursday:

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50. During the singing of the hymn "Gloria in excelsis," in accordance with local custom, the bells may be rung but should thereafter remain silent until the "Gloria in excelsis" of the Easter Vigil, unless the conference of bishops or the local ordinary, for a suitable reason, has decided otherwise. [56] During the same period, the organ and other musical instruments may be used only for the purpose of supporting the singing. [57]
And yes, the Gloria is recited/sung for the Chrism Mass; however, it is done without the bells.
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