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Old May 14, '09, 3:36 pm
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Default What's the problem with America Needs Fatima?

In response to a caller yesterday, Patrick Madrid referred to America Needs Fatima as a fringe organization and Jimmy Akin in response to another caller indicated that he was not familiar with the with it, but that there had been some criticisms of its parent organization, Tradition, Family and Property (http://www.tfp.org).

Fr. Levis (who is in my prayers as he has not been on the EWTN Q&A web site in a long time) used to defend this organization when asked on the Q&A site. Catholic Culture gives the TFP website a green light for fidelity. (http://www.catholicculture.org/cultu...earchid=464788) (The "fidelity weakness note on the site is: "Numerous links to secular sites such as Time magazine, Newsweek, Reuters, etc.")

So what's the problem?

To be fair, an explanation or a clarification is in order.

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Old May 14, '09, 4:49 pm
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America Needs Fatimais a campaign of the American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property (TFP). Its stated goal is to: “win the heart and soul of America for Mary by spreading Our Lady's Fatima message and promoting devotion to Her Immaculate Heart.”[1]

The effort was begun in 1984 under campaign directorship of American TFP member C. Preston Noell III. Leadership of the campaign changed to American TFP member Robert Ritchie in 1994, who remains as executive director today.

Throughout its more than twenty years of existence, America Needs Fatima has received letters of support for its initiatives from dozens of American bishops as well as hundreds of priests and religious.

America Needs Fatima is action-oriented and has organized pro-life rallies and protests against works it views as blasphemous, distributed millions of fliers, established a home visitation program enthroning statues of Our Lady of Fatima and published books.

To date, America Needs Fatima members have distributed millions of fliers describing the Fatima message and promoting the book: Fatima: Prophecies of Tragedy or Hope. They have also distributed fliers on other issues, including protest fliers against dozens of perceived blasphemies.

In addition to Fatima: Prophecies of Tragedy or Hope, which has over 100,000 copies in circulation, America Needs Fatima has also published an illustrated children's book titled Jacinta’s Story that received encouragement from over twenty U.S. bishops.

Since 1996, America Needs Fatima has visited over 10,000 American homes in forty-nine states with pilgrim Virgin statues of Our Lady of Fatima. The program of these visits includes a statue crowning, a short audio-visual presentation about Fatima and praying the rosary.[2]

America Needs Fatima also has experience organizing "anti-blasphemy" rallies. The most notable anti-blasphemy campaign they sponsored was against the film: The Da Vinci Code[3], in which they arranged more than two thousand theater protests nationwide, as well as major demonstrations outside the Sony headquarters in New York[4] and Los Angeles.

America Needs Fatima's most recent activity is the "Public Square Rosary Campaign." The stated goal of this campaign is for America Needs Fatima contacts all over the country to pray the rosary and proclaim the Fatima message in a public place, such as a sidewalk or street corner, on October 13, 2007, the 90th anniversary of the Miracle of the Sun during the Fatima apparitions.[5] As of late August 2007, more than 1000 rosary rallies are scheduled to take place.[6]

On October 11 2008, America Needs Fatima carried out 3,500 rosary rallies in cities across the country. The theme of the 2008 rallies was "Asking God to Save America."

In 2009, America Needs Fatima says they plan to hold 3,500 or more rosary rallies in cities across the country at noon on Saturday, October 10. To join them at this year's public Square Rosary Crusade as a captain or participant, please call 1-866-584-6012.
The "Public Square Rosary Compaign" seems a bit Protestant in design, and that might be why some people don't like it. Others might not like it because of the book it promotes or because of the Marian crowning that goes on.

You can read about Marian crowning here: http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/resources/crowning.html
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Old May 14, '09, 5:32 pm
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Thanks. Didn't think to look at Wikipedia. Again, nothing here that would show the organization to be anything other than orthodox Catholic. The caller today (caller to Jimmy) said he thought Patrick Madrid might have gotten America Needs Fatima confused with a group associated with Fr. Gruner who claims the third secret was never relealed (or not completely revealed). That group is The Fatima Network (http://www.fatima.org/).

Again, unless Patrick and Jimmy are aware of other information, a clarification seems to be in order.
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Old May 14, '09, 5:58 pm
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Default Re: What's the problem with America Needs Fatima?

If you do a google search, you might come across some websites that suggest they may be a little cultish. I don't know if there's any truth to that.

They did seem like nice people when I attended one of their Pilgrim Virgin home visits.

http://www.unitypublishing.com/NewRe...atimaCult.html
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Old May 14, '09, 6:06 pm
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The "Public Square Rosary Compaign" seems a bit Protestant in design, and that might be why some people don't like it. Others might not like it because of the book it promotes or because of the Marian crowning that goes on.

You can read about Marian crowning here: http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/resources/crowning.html


What do you find "Protestant" about praying the Rosary in public?
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If you get on their mailing list, they'll send you an email anytime someone or some organization slams the Church. ANF will then ask you to send the offender an email voicing your complaint. It's a good deal.
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Default Re: What's the problem with America Needs Fatima?

I have gained valuable knowledge about the faith from their website. Also as Jacafamala mentioned, I too get their important emails concerning the rampant blasphemies against the Church, and Jesus and Mary.
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What do you find "Protestant" about praying the Rosary in public?
Because that's what some Protestants do here in California, though instead of the message of Fatima it's the Bible they preach.
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Because that's what some Protestants do here in California, though instead of the message of Fatima it's the Bible they preach.
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The Rosary teaches the Gospel - That's why God gave it to us. If you look carefully, you'll find all of the Mysteries of the Rosary in the Bible. and, I don't know of ANY Protestants who are going to pray the Rosary or call out a mystery that describes the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Coronation of the Blessed Virgin Mary as Queen of Heaven or the Institution of the Eucharist. and, Since when did CATHOLICS stop preaching the Bible? and, Since when did the Bible become an "Away Game" for Catholics?

I seem to recall that our Mother told us to "Pray the Rosary for the Reparation of sins." Are you saying that this group isn't doing that? or, That when they teach Scripture that they're not teaching Catholic Doctrine? or, That they are teaching things that are not in accord with Church Teaching?

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I don't see any problem with ANF since its aim is
spreading The virtuous habit of Praying the rosary.
This very important prayer has many spiritual benefits
which are: meditation in the Gospel, and claiming
spiritual graces for the salvation of souls.
The rosary is my daily prayer and to tell you the
truth it is a powerful weapon against tentation and devils.
May God give every one the benefits of this prayer
which was the prayer of Saints and stay forever
our Mother Mary gift for our salvation.
God bless everyone who spread this prayer
anywhere in this world.
The rosary is one more sign of God's mercy for us.

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Thanks. Didn't think to look at Wikipedia. Again, nothing here that would show the organization to be anything other than orthodox Catholic. The caller today (caller to Jimmy) said he thought Patrick Madrid might have gotten America Needs Fatima confused with a group associated with Fr. Gruner who claims the third secret was never relealed (or not completely revealed). That group is The Fatima Network (http://www.fatima.org/).

Again, unless Patrick and Jimmy are aware of other information, a clarification seems to be in order.
You are aware that Wikipedia is far from a reliable source, aren't you? Anyone can add info about anything there, not to mention that the site's owners can edit whatever they choose to, giving any info on their site a slant to their own agenda.

I would look to a Catholic site if you are researching something Catholic, not Wikipedia!!

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Sounds like ANF might be getting confused with Fr. Gruner's Fatima Crusader/Fatima Network. Unfortunately Fr. Gruner's disobedience is going to reflect badly on any legitimate yet zealous Fatima-centered apostolate.
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I would look to a Catholic site if you are researching something Catholic, not Wikipedia!!
Depends on the Catholic site. There's still lots of "Catholic" heresy and heterodoxy out there, and not just at universities.

However, take a look at my original post where I noted that Catholic Culture, a thoroughly orthodox site, gives the TFP website a green light for fidelity (and linked to the site review).
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The Rosary is praying the Gospel. Where is the problem? Our Bishops and leaders should support America Needs Fatilma at least more than Notre Dame. What is the problem? God help us if praying the Rosary anywhere is a problem.
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If you do a google search, you might come across some websites that suggest they may be a little cultish. I don't know if there's any truth to that.

They did seem like nice people when I attended one of their Pilgrim Virgin home visits.

http://www.unitypublishing.com/NewRe...atimaCult.html
That's the problem with google searches - sometimes they give goofy results. Look's like the same site is promoting a private army:
http://www.unitypublishing.com/Gover...rmy11-2006.htm
"This army would have to have modern weapons and Special Force equipment. It could only get these from the Major Western Countries. To be effective it would have to have billions in financial add, which it could only get through the clandestine operation money of the major governments, very secretly financed.
"This army could not have open affiliation with governments because of the threat of retaliation and/or treaties. Just as it is done now with private armies in Iraqi and other places, the Western Countries could support it with technology, weapons, information and logistics, and then even help finance it though secret treaties."

Goofy, don't you think?

A better resource would be this one:
http://www.americaneedsfatima.blogspot.com/

Looks very Catholic to me. Awesome, in fact.
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