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Old Jun 16, '04, 5:39 pm
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I heard or read that when a certain Bishop was told by a reporter: "many Catholics will leave the Church if the next Pope is Black", that the Bishop responded: "if that's what they're waiting for, they can go ahead and leave now!"

Brilliant!!

Who is this Bishop?
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Old Jun 16, '04, 5:52 pm
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Forget the bishop. Who's the dolt that made the first comment?
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Old Jun 16, '04, 6:19 pm
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The next Pope can be Blue for all we care. We just wish for him to be faithfull too the Church and God's will. It would be cool if the next Pope was also not from Italy. Peerhaps Irish?!
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Old Jun 16, '04, 8:02 pm
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Forget the bishop. Who's the dolt that made the first comment?
He's just a reporter. It's his paid job to look like the south end of a donkey headed north.

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Old Jun 16, '04, 8:14 pm
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Despite the taboo within the Vatican about discussing papal succession, some cardinals have begun to say openly that the next heir to St Peter should also be the first African pope. If so, there is only one candidate.
Obviously they're referring to Francis Cardinal Arinze, who's currently Prefect of Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, has been a curialist since 1985, and an archbishop since 1965. He's Nigerian, educated in Ireland. He's nearly 72.

Here's a link to an article about him:

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Old Jun 16, '04, 9:47 pm
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I have also heard the comment that when there's a lot of talk about a certain person being the next pope, it's a pretty good sign that he won't be. I think it would be cool to have a pope from Nigeria though. Maybe we shouldn't talk him up too much.

I think JPII will be around for a bit longer than most people think though. It may be a little premature to start speculating on the next pope.
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Old Jun 17, '04, 6:33 am
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The most frequently mentioned papabili among the pope-watching cognoscenti are:

Francis Arinze
Country: Nigeria
Age: 70
Assets: Black! Third Worlder. Can go nose-to-nose with Islam.
Liabilities: Black? Maybe too conservative. African Catholic Church too young.

If chosen, Arinze, besides rocking the world as the first black pope, would also be a good pope to have in charge in a time of religious conflict. The former head of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, Arinze is Mr. Interfaith and helped arrange Pope John Paul II's first-ever visit to a mosque. "Theologically, all people come from the same God," he has said.

Deborah Caldwell, senior religion editor of Beliefnet, says of the electors, "They have to go with a Third World cardinal because of the shift of Christianity's vast numbers to Africa, Asia, and Latin America. They just HAVE to," she says. "And if you add in the global clash between Islam and Christianity, the clear choice is Arinze."

Ah, but what an exquisite dilemma for liberals. A black pope who, on social issues, makes Phyllis Schlafly seem like Jane Fonda. In a commencement address this year at Georgetown University, Arinze drew protests by saying the institution of marriage is "mocked by homosexuality." If he did become pope and liberals criticized his antigay, anti-abortion views, could conservatives possibly resist the temptation to charge racism? Might be too much to ask.

It's also possible that, deep down, though they wouldn't admit as much publicly, cardinals might fear that the selection of a black pope would alienate some white Catholics. But the biggest strike against him is that the African church, while growing rapidly, is still too young, especially compared to the church in Latin America.

Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga
Country: Honduras
Age: 60
Assets: Latin American. Friend of Bono.
Liabilities: Compared media to Hitler. Too young.

"There's a feeling that it's Latin America's turn," says Tom Reese, editor of the Jesuit magazine America. It's not just that there are more Catholics there than any other continent—it's a competitive battleground, with Pentecostals chipping away at Catholic market share.

So far, there's no consensus on a Latin American candidate, but the one most often mentioned is Rodriguez, formerly head of the Latin American Bishops group. He's been a strong opponent of Third World debt and an advocate for the church's antipoverty mission. He teamed up with U2's Bono to present a petition at the G-8 meeting in 1999, signed by 17 million people, asking for debt relief.

David Gibson, author of The Coming Catholic Church (and also of a forthcoming book on the papal election), describes Rodriguez's assets: "A ployglot, media-savvy Latin American who knows everyone in the College and would represent a powerful statement on behalf of the huge and poverty-stricken Latin American church, as well as the rest of the developing world." John Allen adds that Rodriguez is also a supporter of decentralization, which may be the most important factor of all.

One problem may be his comments that press coverage of the pedophile-priest scandal reflects anti-Catholic views of Ted Turner and other media moguls. "Only in this fashion can I explain the ferocity [in the press] that reminds me of the times of Nero and Diocletian, and more recently, of Stalin and Hitler," he said.
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Old Jun 17, '04, 6:34 am
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Jean-Marie Lustiger
Country: France (Archbishop of Paris)
Age: 77
Assets: Jewish? Shore up Old Europe Christendom.
Liabilities: Jewish! Too old.

Lustiger's mother, a Jew, was killed at Auschwitz. If the cardinals wanted to generate excitement in Europe, choosing Lustiger sure would be a dramatic way to do it.

Do Jews consider him Jewish? Technically, yes. As Rabbi Joseph Telushkin, author of Jewish Literacy, said, "According to Jewish law, a person born to a Jewish mother is Jewish, and being Jewish is not something a person can renounce. However … the Jewish community does not normally relate to such a person as a Jew."

Lustiger is, Telushkin says, popular with Parisian Jews, but other pundits feel that many Jews would be outraged if he were chosen. "Electing him would be a disaster for Catholic-Jewish relations," says Reese. "Some Jews would see this as the church putting him up as an example of what Jews should do."

What probably really rules him out now is his age. Since the mandatory retirement age for cardinals is 75, it might be a bit awkward moral-authority-wise for the pope to bust the cap. So, we probably will never get to find out whether Jewish mothers around the world would have told their children that some day they could grow up to be a doctor, a lawyer, or a pope.

Lubomyr Husar
Country: Ukraine
Age: 70
Assets: Extra holy. Good age. Bridges East and West.
Liabilities: He's American!

Husar is the head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church and has American citizenship. His parents emigrated to the United States, where he attended the Catholic University of America, was ordained a priest in Stamford, Conn., and taught at St. Basil's College Seminary from 1958 to 1969.

John Allen, who touts him as a dark horse, summarizes the plusses and minuses thusly:
There are three objections to Husar's candidacy. First, he represents Eastern Europe, and after John Paul many believe that region of the world will have to wait a few generations to produce another pope. Second, he is an American citizen, and observers believe it would be diplomatically impossible to elect a superpower pontiff. Some would suspect Vatican policy was being crafted by the CIA. Third, the pope is supposed to be the patriarch of the West, and it would be theologically odd for that office to be held by someone from an Eastern rite.

But, Allen argues, these objections could become positives. "The first two point to Husar as a bridge between East and West; the third suggests he could be a symbol of the full catholicity of the church, of its unity in diversity."

Finally, Allen says, "He is also one of the most genuinely Christian men I've ever met."

Dionigi Tettamanzi
Country: Italy
Age: 69
Assets: Italian.
Liabilities: Italian.

Only 5 percent of the world's Catholics live in Italy. So, why is an Italian even on the list? Because 35 percent of the voting cardinals either represent an Italian diocese or work for the Vatican administration. There may also be a sense that the church went through its wacky experimental phase by choosing a Polish pope and needs to get back to normal.

Tettamanzi is conservative and well-liked by the very conservative Opus Dei movement; most of the voting cardinals are conservative, too.

Most important, the leading Irish gambling Web site, Paddypower.com, rates him as the odds-on favorite.
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Old Jun 17, '04, 6:35 am
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Christoph Schönborn
Country: Austria
Age: 58
Assets: Intellectual heavyweight. European Christianity could use some excitement.
Liabilities: Europe had its chance.


This cardinal is also a count! A respected theologian, Schönborn was chosen by Pope John Paul II to serve as the general editor of the revised Catholic catechism. David Gibson calls Schönborn "a cultured Austrian who is conservative but, true to his Mittleeuropean roots, can be a bridge between East and West. Maybe a little too close to a Slavic pope, and maybe a little too young still."

His big problem is his age.

This guy is my first choice. KV
Jaime Lucas Ortega y Alamino
Country: Cuba
Age: 66
Assets: Communist country. Hispanic.
Liabilities: Communism no longer a problem.

Picking a pope from a Communist country worked well last time, so why not try again? Alamino has the advantages of being a bastion of faith in a godless land and being Hispanic.

Godfried Danneels
Country: Belgium
Age: 70
Assets: Witty.
Liabilities: Too liberal.

On the off chance that the cardinals want to go with a liberal, Danneels may be the man. "When the bishops and cardinals gather, Danneels is often the center of attention, appreciated for his wit and intellect," says Greg Tobin, author of Selecting the Pope. Weaknesses: As a liberal from Belgium, he might be viewed as the Michael Dukakis of the papal race.

Bear in mind, the cardinals traditionally abjure front-runners even more than Democratic Party primary voters do, so there's a good chance it won't be any of the above. An old Italian saying goes, "He who enters the conclave a pope comes out a Cardinal."

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Old Jun 17, '04, 6:49 am
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I heard or read that when a certain Bishop was told by a reporter: "many Catholics will leave the Church if the next Pope is Black", that the Bishop responded: "if that's what they're waiting for, they can go ahead and leave now!"

Brilliant!!

Who is this Bishop?

I am surprised that no one else besides me thinks that indeed many Catholics WILL LEAVE if a Black Pope is elected. At least American & European Catholics...Sad, but, I believe true.
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Old Jun 17, '04, 6:56 am
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I am surprised that no one else besides me thinks that indeed many Catholics WILL LEAVE if a Black Pope is elected. At least American & European Catholics...Sad, but, I believe true.
Well, I agree with the bishop . . . if they are leaving because of someone's skin color, they weren't real Catholics in the first place.
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Old Jun 17, '04, 10:32 am
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am surprised that no one else besides me thinks that indeed many Catholics WILL LEAVE if a Black Pope is elected. At least American & European Catholics...Sad, but, I believe true.
So do you believe many will leave if he is Hispanic? That is an equally strong possiblity.
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Old Jun 17, '04, 11:12 am
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Here's my preference:
Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos is a Colombian who has challenged drug traffickers in his native Colombia. One story has it that to challenge a leading drug trafficker to go to confession, he once disguised himself as a milkman in order to gain access to the drug kingpin. Castrillon Hoyos is currently the head of the Congregation for the Clergy and has spearheaded Vatican efforts to bring back traditionalists who have broken with the Church. Recently, he succeeded in leading a breakaway traditionalist group in Campos, Brazil, back into full communion with the Church. He is obviously a very courageous man who is not afraid to take strong and blunt stands for the faith. He is considered by liberals to be "very traditional doctrinally."
I suppose some might think him too old, as he is nearly 75, but the cardinals might want an older Pope next time around.
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Old Jun 17, '04, 11:49 am
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My vote is for His Beatitude Lubomyr, Patriarch of Kyiv and all Rus'.

Oh wait, I don't get to vote.

The one who compared the media to Hitler sounds interesting.

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Old Jun 17, '04, 12:01 pm
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People have been picking a successor for John-Paul II for many years. Many of those people named as possibilities over the years are now dead. John-Paul may well keep on going for a few years. Back in 2000, I never thought he'd live till 2004, but he did, and he's still going.

On an unrelated note, I think it might be good if the next pope is not a very good pope and is very unpopular.

Why do I say this?

The cult of the pope is not the basis of our faith. Our faith is the same whether the pope is really cool or if he's a big jerk. I think the cult attached to John-Paul II is spiritually unhealthy. Yes, he's a good Pope, but some people are just way too attached to him (as they were to previous Popes too).

Before the mid 19th century, people didn't go to Rome "to see the Pope." They went there to pray before the tombs of martyrs and venerate relics and such. Maybe they went to an audience, but seeing the Pope wasn't the main reason to make a pilgrimage to Rome.

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