Dr. James White?

RomanRiteTeen · #1 Jan 27, '05, 3:31 pm

How do you deal with Protestant apologetics like these? What do you guys think?
http://aomin.org/Morrow.html

RSiscoe · #2 Jan 27, '05, 3:41 pm

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Originally Posted by RomanRiteTeen

How do you deal with Protestant apologetics like these? What do you guys think?
http://aomin.org/Morrow.html

This is the answer to how to deal with such a person:

"A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: Knowing that he, that is such a one, is subverted, being condemned by his own judgement" (Titus 3:10-11).

Avoid them; and if you are ever faced with one, rebuke them as strongly with as possible. It is different with someone who is seeking the truth sincerely, and may be slightly against the Catholic Church through ignorance. With them, it may be good to be kind and gentle as you explain things to them. But to those evil people such as James White, refute them strongly with the sharpest words you can find. That is the way the Church Father's dealt with such heretics and that is the way we should.

Christ's friend · #3 Jan 27, '05, 3:41 pm

Ahh James White what a great man of God who backs everything up with Scripture.

Christ's friend · #4 Jan 27, '05, 3:42 pm

Be careful who you call a heritic and let the Bible judge them not yourself.

geezerbob · #5 Jan 27, '05, 4:16 pm

The bible doesn't judge anyone. God does. And Mr. White backs up what he says with his own erroneous interpretation of scripture.

TNT · #6 Jan 27, '05, 4:18 pm

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Originally Posted by Christ's friend

Be careful who you call a heritic and let the Bible judge them not yourself.

I do, but not the book of hebrews, which does NOT belong to the NT.
Read the scripitures. NOWHERE, is the book "HEBREWS" even mentioned as part of the bible!
The 1st 200yrs of christians NEVER put it up as scripture either.
Therefore, you have a false bible, which means no true bible that can judge.
All you have is your opinion about some bible, which is 2,000 yrs too late.
At least Mohammed was only 500+ years too late.
BTW:Christ's "friend":
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Christ's friend · #7 Jan 27, '05, 4:33 pm

I will research Hebrews, but you tell me about Maccabees and how it got into your canon.
And Hebrews is not the only book that talks about judgement.

My who point is James White is an amazing man of God who really's on Christ's works for salvation and not his own. He writes books and articles based on Scripture not tradtion that devoloped outside Scripture and his interpretation is Biblical because he uses the whole Bible in context not singel verses. (e.g. "hail full of grace" and "you will be blessed" and you get imaculately concieved when bible preaches if you say you have no sin the truth is not in you.)

MaggieOH · #8 Jan 27, '05, 4:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Christ's friend

Ahh James White what a great man of God who backs everything up with Scripture.

A man of God would not go around villifying others in such a vile manner.

Newman60 · #9 Jan 27, '05, 4:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Christ's friend

Ahh James White what a great man of God who backs everything up with Scripture.

Backing everything up with scripture isn't even claimed in scripture as the answer. Nor was it meant to be when the several hundred year old Catholic and Apostolic Church in its synods determined what is inspired and included in (or not inspired therefore excluded from) the bible. Council of Hippo, 393, affirmed by the Council of Carthage, 397, and reaffirmed by a second Council of Carthage, 419, presided over by Augustine and forwarded to Boniface, Bishop of Rome for his confirmation. Catholics have the same bible today as then.
Protestant variations with fewer old testament books are only 500 years old. Even they have essentially the same new testament except for the word "alone" which Martin Luther added to a Pauline epistle to counter James chapter 2. The King James even had the same Catholic old testament for many years but then moved the Martin Luther OT omissions first to an appendix and then finally dropped them altogether in the 19th century to agree with the other shorter protestant bibles.
Moreover duelling bible verses, while a relatively easy "game" to play, is certainly not the intent of the inspired authors nor our Holy God Who inspired them.
The bible was never intended as the sole source and arbiter for our faith in God. Nor was individual interpretation intended as the way for it to be used. That in fact is why there are so many thousands of protestant variations today.
Obviously all Christians went hundreds of years without any bible. Then the vast majority went more than a thousand years after that without their own individual bibles. Most because they could neither read nor afford them. It wasn't until many many years after the invention of the printing press that the collection of books known as the bible became both readily available and affordable.
Dr. James White and anyone claiming "sola scriptura" are merely shorting themselves because they have neither the complete bible nor the correct interpretation of it.

Newman60

MaggieOH · #10 Jan 27, '05, 4:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Christ's friend

I will research Hebrews, but you tell me about Maccabees and how it got into your canon.
And Hebrews is not the only book that talks about judgement.

My who point is James White is an amazing man of God who really's on Christ's works for salvation and not his own. He writes books and articles based on Scripture not tradtion that devoloped outside Scripture and his interpretation is Biblical because he uses the whole Bible in context not singel verses. (e.g. "hail full of grace" and "you will be blessed" and you get imaculately concieved when bible preaches if you say you have no sin the truth is not in you.)

Can you prove any of what you are saying? I think not. I doubt that Mr. White would know how to quote in context.

Maggie

e-catholic · #11 Jan 27, '05, 4:41 pm

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Originally Posted by RomanRiteTeen

How do you deal with Protestant apologetics like these? What do you guys think?
http://aomin.org/Morrow.html

It is difficult, there are some who are filled with hate for the Church. Mr. White is one of those who is filled with hate for the Church, and has little idea of what she teaches, and what has been known of christ from the beginning.

The advice to ignore him is good advice. If someone wants to have questions answered, we should answer them, those who just want to Catholic bash do not deserve our attention.

I'm sure you will find others that you should also ignore. Gee where could they be????

Christ's friend · #12 Jan 27, '05, 4:50 pm

James chapter 2 does not contradict faith alone as means of justification.

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The bible was never intended as the sole source and arbiter for our faith in God. Nor was individual interpretation intended as the way for it to be used. That in fact is why there are so many thousands of protestant variations today.

This is just amazing. I can not believe you actually believe this junk. Now I know why you believe so strongly that word of man is some how supreme to the word of God. Amazing where you base your beliefs and principles. Good luck with all your traditions. Soon maybe you will even traditionalize Christ out of the Gospel fully because already you have added Mary as co-redeemer. How much farther will ignorant men try to overpower God's word?

Christ's friend · #13 Jan 27, '05, 4:52 pm

Maggie you are one of the most ignorant people I have met when it comes to knowing and interpreting Scripture. So please do not add any more of your comments.

Christ's friend · #14 Jan 27, '05, 4:54 pm

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I'm sure you will find others that you should also ignore. Gee where could they be????

O I do not mind if you ignore me. You are just avoiding truth by ignoring true Scriptural teaching and you are excepting mans word. I trust in Gods word as athority why don't you join me in ignoring the teachings of man and start listening to the teachings of God ; )

TNT · #15 Jan 27, '05, 4:57 pm

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Originally Posted by Christ's friend

I will research Hebrews, but you tell me about Maccabees and how it got into your canon.
And Hebrews is not the only book that talks about judgement.

My who point is James White is an amazing man of God who really's on Christ's works for salvation and not his own. He writes books and articles based on Scripture not tradtion that devoloped outside Scripture and his interpretation is Biblical because he uses the whole Bible in context not singel verses. (e.g. "hail full of grace" and "you will be blessed" and you get imaculately concieved when bible preaches if you say you have no sin the truth is not in you.)

So was ARIUS (320ad) "amazing man of God". And, he converted a lot more people than White. Unlike White, I think he also was able to KEEP IS OWN SISTER FROM CONVERTING INTO THE TRUE CHURCH....sheesh..amazing, yea., whatever.