Do not post wanted posters.

[kevstar31]

if a person is suspected of this crime you should not post wanted posters.

[nkbeth]

Originally Posted by kevstar31

if a person is suspected of this crime you should not post wanted posters.

Are posters wanted because they are suspects?Yes Are they wanted for some other reason?No

Is the crime punishable by law (the criminal justice system) ? Yes
Do "post" and "poster" refer to posting on a forum such as CAF (or a blog etc)? No
Do post/poster have to do with postage stamps or mail? No
Do post/poster have to do with a paper poster on the wall (or pole etc)? Yes
Do both "post" and "poster" refer to the same kind of thing? (they would not if one referred to posting a letter and the other referred to posting in a forum) Yes

Would posting the posters tell the suspect that he was suspected so that he could hide himself or the evidence? No

Was the crime stealing paper posters ... No
Was the crime stealing money from the mail? (Post office shouldn't post a list of people (posters) who mailed letters with money in them)
No

[Spirithound]

Would the suspect be put into some danger if the poster is posted? No

[nkbeth]

if a person is suspected of this crime you should not post wanted posters.

(maybe I'm asking the obvious or repeating myself..)
Is this crime is some kind of illegal posting? No
Should you never post a list of all suspects for this crime? No
Are suspects and wanted posters the same people? Yes

Originally Posted by Spirithound

Would the suspect be put into some danger if the poster is posted? No

Would the public be put in danger?Yes Would it be life-threatening danger?No

Would posting the posters actually be a crime itself?No Would it be basically the same crime? (E.g. if the crime were posting on telephone poles, then posting a list of suspects on telephone poles would also be illegal.)

Would posting the posters be posting a list of a growing gang of criminals who would want to know each other better?No Was each criminal posting a list of criminals he knew?No

Is the content of the paper posters illegal? No
Would it be a crime if the paper posters were posted on the internet instead? No
Is the place the posters are posted illegal? No
Is the number of posters posted illegal? No
Is the shape or size of the poster illegal? No

Could the posters be posted somewhere privately, e.g. somewhere in a police station? Yes

[Jennifer G.]

Would you not post wanted posters because the suspect is already dead? No
Did he kill himself? No (technically a crime in NYC)

[nkbeth]

if a person is suspected of this crime you should not post wanted posters.

Originally Posted by nkbeth

Should you never post a list of all suspects for this crime? No
Could the SUSPECT-LISTS be posted somewhere privately, e.g. somewhere in a police station? Yes

Can you sometimes (safely) post a suspect-list publicly?

Can the crime be described without using the words "post" or "poster" or the equivalent? Would it help to narrow down the crime and worry about the posting later? Yes

Would the suspect-list posting encourage more people to commit the crime? It would help other people committing the crime

Would it be a crime if the paper posters were posted on the internet instead? No

If you post the suspect list on a frequently used website, would it create some danger to the public (even if less than posting a paper poster)? No


Does the place, time, shape, size, number of the posters posted by the suspects make a difference? (even if not illegal) Yes, place

If the suspect list said some kind of crime was committed by these suspects, but didn't name the crime, could it be posted? Yes

Are the wanted posters having committed (suspects of) crime X, legally posting about crime X ? No
Or legally posting about something related to crime X? No
Or (did I get this wrong) are they ILLEGALLY posting something? No

[nkbeth]

Originally Posted by nkbeth

Can you sometimes (safely) post a suspect-list publicly? ?? (sorry if it is obvious)

Originally Posted by nkbeth

Can the crime be described without using the words "post" or "poster" or the equivalent? Would it help to narrow down the crime and worry about the posting later? Yes

(Easier said than done )

Does the crime hurt more than one person? Usually
Does the crime hurt people physically? No
Is the crime stealing? Yes
Does the crime hurt people financially? Yes
Does the crime hurt people's property? No
Does the crime hurt people's reputation? No
Does the crime hurt people morally? No
Does the crime hurt people emotionally? (e.g. scare them or annoy them) Slightly
Does the crime take away people's freedom? No
Is the crime something you are likely to see in the news every month (i.e. without suspects identified)?No Every year? No At all? No
Could the suspects' posts or the suspect-list post be in the newspaper or a magazine? Yes
Is the crime likely a felony? Yes

Is the crime committed close to where the suspect puts up his poster? Yes
Must the victims be near the criminal for the crime to be committed? Yes
Must something the victims own be near the criminal? Yes
Does the place of the crime matter (other than the proximity of the victim, if that matters) Yes
Must the crime be committed indoors? No
...outdoors? No
In the air, ocean or lake
Can the crime be committed at any time of day? Yes

Does the crime require some physical weapon? No
Does the crime require other equipment? No
Can anyone commit the crime (no special profession or talents etc, ) Yes
Would the crime need to be carefully planned? No Could the crime be committed on the spur of the moment? Yes

Does the suspect's poster identify where the crime could be committed or how or when to commit it? (I guess you've already implied no ) No

Do the suspects posts advertise something? No Are they art work? No Are they maps/directions? No

[tee_eff_em]

Is it an election year? No

tee

[Spirithound]

Is it an environmental crime? No

[nkbeth]

[Is there some part of the crime you would be likely to see in the news? E.g. stealing cash? stealing credit card? Stealing credit card account number? Stealing check book? some common financial crime (that you do see in the news)? Stealing gift certificates? Stealing lottery tickets? Yes could be any of the above

Does the suspect's posting help the suspect; e.g. greater profit or help with future crimes? Yes Does it help other suspects? Yes Does it hurt the victims more? Yes Would the crime be punished less if he didn't post anything? No Did it help the police (it was the police?) find the suspect? Maybe Was the suspect free to not do the posting if he so chose? Yes

Was the suspect's posting a notice? Yes A parking violation? No

Was the suspect in a gang? No

Was the crime something really clever? No (since it was unlikely to be seen in the news) Were the circumstances unusual? No

Does it matter who (besides the victims) are nearby? Yes
Is something stolen out of a pocket or purse etc? Yes Are the victims carrying or wearing or riding or inside something unusual? No Are they nearby something unusual? No Are any of these important, even if not unusual? Yes

Are the victims fooled into saying or doing something that hurts them financially (giving away information, etc) Vaguely

Is there something important about the victim(s) themselves? No Did they belong to some organization (important to the crime)? No

Is the crime likely a felony just because of the amount of money? Not sure, IANAL Is the amount of money really important? No

[nkbeth]

Originally Posted by nkbeth

Is there some part of the crime you would be likely to see in the news? E.g. stealing cash? stealing credit card? Stealing credit card account number? Stealing check book? some common financial crime (that you do see in the news)? Stealing gift certificates? Stealing lottery tickets? Yes could be any of the above

Was the crime fictional? It could be but it makes more sense if the crime is true.

Was the suspect taking over some other crime? Yes Or stealing from another criminal? No Or disguising himself as someone else when he committed a crime? No

Were the suspects cops (or detectives etc)? No

A part of the crime could be some typical financial/stealing crime? Yes
Would that part of the crime be printed in the newspaper?
No

The posting hurt the victim and helped the suspect? Yes The posting could be avoided? Yes But the jury/judge wouldn't increase the punishment because of the posting?
No
Is there something that prevents a trial? No Would the posting be allowed as evidence? I do not know but that is not important. Is the fact that the suspects actually did any posting known to cops? N/a To lawyers? n/a to the jury? n/a Is the content of the posting known (to cops.. lawyers ..jury)?n/a Is the significance of the posting just not seen? No

Originally Posted by nkbeth;5505083
Was the suspect's posting a notice? [B

Yes [/b] A parking violation? No

Was the suspect doing his job, and committed a crime along the way? No
Was posting a part of his job (like the parking violation, but something else)? No

Was the notice a warning or notice of violation? Was it some regulation? Did it announce some meeting or event? Was it a sign identifying the place (or some other place) as being of some interest, due to the crime? (money available here ) No

Does the criminal post his name at the scene of the crime? (Z for Zorro ) Or maybe deceptively someone else's name? N/a

Originally Posted by nkbeth;5505083
Was the crime something really clever? [B

No[/b] (since it was unlikely to be seen in the news) Were the circumstances unusual? No

Might the crime be in the news without naming any suspects? Unlikely
Would just naming the crime in the newspaper do harm? No
Was the crime just too boring? YesWas the crime itself unusual (and so unlikely to occur in real life, and so to be put in the newspaper)? No

Are these important:
what victims are...
wearing? (besides purse or pocket..)
carrying? (besides purse or pocket and usual stuff inside)
riding?
inside?
nearby (besides other people)?

Are the nearby people:
..co-workers?
.. just in a place where there are other people? (innocent bystanders)

Are the wrong people suspected?
===
So much for my rapier wit (not)

[nkbeth]

You said that the amount of money didn't matter for this crime

Suppose that 1 million dollars was stolen. This would be put into the paper (without suspects) - right ? No

Is this crime likely reported? Yes detected? Solved? Brought to trial? Maybe
Does the victim know what is going on? No Does anyone else know other than the suspect (while the crime is happening)? No
Do I know (that one is easy)?

Does the victim see the suspect do the posting and realize what it means? No

Does the victim think his money is just lost? Maybe, depends how smart the victim is.

Is the suspect's poster so common that the police don't even pay any attention to it? Do the police see the poster at all?

Is the "Do not post wanted posters" instruction meant for the police? Yes

Does "taking over this financial crime" require 2 people? Yes

Do the circumstances have to be "just right" before any crime is committed (other than anything that is obvious)

Is there some place that still needs to be identified? No

Is there something about the people present that is important (and not obvious)? You said the crime could be committed inside or outside? Yes Is there a crowd? Maybe Is anyone pushed? No Does anyone physically hide anyone or anything? Themselves

Is the suspect's poster/notice generally called a poster? Is it the size of a typical poster? (Or is it a post-it note or something large) Yes

Does the suspect write on the poster? No

?? thrash, thrash

[nkbeth]

Originally Posted by nkbeth

Suppose that 1 million dollars was stolen. This would be put into the paper (without suspects) - right ? No

Is this crime likely reported? Yes detected? Solved? Brought to trial? Maybe

Does the victim know what is going on? No Does anyone else know what is going on other than the suspect (while the crime is happening)? No

[/b]
Does "taking over this financial crime" require 2 people? Yes

Does anyone physically hide anyone or anything? Themselves

Is there some magic trick?No

Is the 2nd person related in some special way to the suspect.? No Are they twins? One twin taking over from the other..

Does the victim have any special relationship with the suspect? No

Is the 2nd person committing a crime himself, or partially responsible for the crime? Yes If so, does the 2nd person get away with it? Yes

Does the suspect hide himself behind the 2nd person? No The victim? someone else? Use a disguise? A mask? Pretend he is someone else? Go into or behind or under some material or thing.? Yes

Does the poster hide the suspect? No Is the poster a "criminal wanted" poster? Yes I probably asked this, but did anyone besides suspect(s) see the poster being posted? N/a

Is the crime some kind of a game or joke, no real money lost? No
Are the people children (or some of the people)? N/a

[nkbeth]

I had been thinking "wanted posters" meant "wanted suspects-who-are-posters". Is this wrong? Yes

Does "wanted posters" JUST mean paper posters identifying suspect(s)? Yes

Do the suspects post anything? No

[nkbeth]

Originally Posted by nkbeth

I had been thinking [at least part of the time!] "wanted posters" meant "wanted suspects-who-are-posters". Is this wrong? Yes

Does "wanted posters" JUST mean paper posters identifying suspect(s)? Yes

Do the suspects post anything? No

Well, that was a little embarrassing! Now let's see if I can get on/continue on some other wrong track(s)!

Does it matter where the police are before, during, or after the crime?No
Does anyone see the suspect?Maybe Could a poster be made of the suspect if the police wanted to? Yes Could a poster be made if it didn't include a face? No (E.g. if it just included a description of the crime, asking for witnesses)

Would the public be put in danger?Yes Would it be life-threatening danger?No

Is the danger to the public the main reason not to post wanted posters? Yes Would the danger come from the suspect? Maybe

Is the crime solved right away (eg suspect caught red-handed) so no wanted poster is needed? No (did I ask that...) Is the crime seen to not be a real crime after all? No

If the cop knew everything the suspect knew, would they post the wanted posters? Maybe

I understand the crime can be divided into 2 parts, where the suspect "takes over" the part of the crime that the 2nd person starts? Is that right? Does the suspect hide his part of the crime altogether? Does the suspect get away (at first) with all the money? Does the 2nd person get some of the money eventually? Do the professions of the suspect and/or the 2nd person matter?

You said the crime could be done on the spur of the moment. Was there any quick planning that needed to be done between the suspect and the second person?Some quick observations

Is there any kind of force used? No

Does the victim know what has happened to him? Not right away

Are any animals involved? Any food? Any man-made objects worth noting? No,no and no

Do both the suspect and the 2nd person hide themselves? Whoever is hiding, is what they are hiding behind (or inside etc) worth more questions? (If I may ask that) They could be hiding anywhere they can see the poster.

Do the police know there is a 2nd person? No Does it matter? Not really

Does the time of the year matter? No

Might the police post wanted posters when they begin to understand what really happened? (Or when I do) rephrase