Ethics of Fur - Page 10

PeterMuz · #**136** Oct 12, '09, 3:09 pm

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Originally Posted by 4elise

It is the utmost of vanity to kill something so as to impress others with one's wealth or status. I can understand that there was a time when people didn't have options, but really today I can think of NO reason to justify the wearing of fur for fashion.

So let's say the fur only cost $5.00... That would eliminate the vanity side of things. Do you still think it is wrong?

JoeJetson · #**137** Oct 12, '09, 3:11 pm

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Originally Posted by Tosk

I looked it up and the pope does wear luxurious ermine fur robes.

Yeah but it's not new. The ermine garments that he wears are from the 1960's. He did get some flack from an Italian animal group about it. He is an animal lover. There's some story about some book/biography about Pope Benedict "written by a cat". Anybody know anything about that? I have to check it out.

PeterMuz · #**138** Oct 12, '09, 3:12 pm

So what about leather? Or eating a nice steak?

JoeJetson · #**139** Oct 12, '09, 3:14 pm

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Originally Posted by PeterMuz

So let's say the fur only cost $5.00... That would eliminate the vanity side of things. Do you still think it is wrong?

How does that eliminate the vanity? You're killing an animal to wear it for fashion, whether it's high couture or trailer park duds.

4elise · #**140** Oct 12, '09, 3:52 pm

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Originally Posted by PeterMuz

So let's say the fur only cost $5.00... That would eliminate the vanity side of things. Do you still think it is wrong?

Perhaps not on the basis of vainty - if one wore the $5. tag like a Minnie Pearl hat tag, this would then just be applicable to the 'needless' suffering issue then wouldn't it?

4elise · #**141** Oct 12, '09, 3:54 pm

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Originally Posted by PeterMuz

So what about leather? Or eating a nice steak?

To me this is the same, I don't wear leather, I don't eat steak.

4elise · #**142** Oct 12, '09, 3:55 pm

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Originally Posted by JoeJetson

How does that eliminate the vanity? You're killing an animal to wear it for fashion, whether it's high couture or trailer park duds.

good point -

Feanor2 · #**143** Oct 12, '09, 4:24 pm

I don't know if wearing fur is exactly sinful but it is unbecoming and makes women look gaudy and pretentious.

On the other hand, Benedict looks snazzy in that ermine-trimmed hat!

athansor · #**144** Oct 12, '09, 4:34 pm

Here's an article that may be relevant to this discussion: Is Eating Meat A Catholic Sin?

fultonfish · #**145** Oct 12, '09, 4:39 pm

WWJE?

4elise · #**146** Oct 12, '09, 5:13 pm

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Originally Posted by athansor

Here's an article that may be relevant to this discussion: Is Eating Meat A Catholic Sin?

Thanks so much for posting this - I hadn't seen this article.

athansor · #**147** Oct 12, '09, 5:17 pm

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Originally Posted by fultonfish

WWJE?

If Jesus was here, say in the US, right now? Do you think he'd be eating veal and fois gras? Would he be eating factory farmed beef? Of would he take advantage of living at a time when we no longer need meat to survive and choose a vegetarian diet?

4elise · #**148** Oct 12, '09, 5:35 pm

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Originally Posted by fultonfish

WWJE?

I know that Marfran has posted information on another thread on what is understood to have been the primary diet of the people of the middle east at the time that Jesus lived - and it was indeed for the most part a plant based diet, olives, fruit, bread, nuts, wine, - with some fish, (of course not part of the current over fishing)

But if you are asking what WOULD Jesus eat today... I would have to think he would find the current practice of factory farming objectionable - What I've learned about it just indicates to me that it just is not in keeping with the dignity of creation.

4elise · #**149** Oct 12, '09, 5:36 pm

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Originally Posted by athansor

If Jesus was here, say in the US, right now? Do you think he'd be eating veal and fois gras? Would he be eating factory farmed beef? Of would he take advantage of living at a time when we no longer need meat to survive and choose a vegetarian diet?

This gets my vote as the likely answer!

severus68 · #**150** Oct 12, '09, 6:13 pm

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Originally Posted by fultonfish

Sinning animals alive is impractical because they squirm around too much.

Besides usually the pelt or skin is a byproduct of meat production. So you stun the animal to stop it from squirming and then you want to bleed it with the heart still going because leaving the blood inside will spoil the meat.

You also want to have the animal calm because an excited animal will result in a mean condition known as PSE. All that adrenalin and other hormones causes the meat to taste funny.

In a lot of Middle Eastern countries, they hold the animal down and cut its throat without first stunning it. But in the United States, we are humane and knock the animal out, with a bolt to the brain or by electric shock.

I was being cynical Animals feel pain and suffer. I am shocked when you tell the animal is not killed outright but left to bleed out.

It is not only in the middle east. Most Muslims follow a version of animal slaughter in the OT. They believe the animal can't be stinned first. There is someone from the Alazar University in Egypt who goes around the world telling Muslims it is Islamic to stun the animals first.

Thank you for the info but I have long lost any taste for meat.