Angry Anglicans

[Bluegoat]

I think if a group of discontented Catholics that don't like, say, the changes in the CC since the 1960s, were to approach the Orthodox Church, and the OC put forth a similarly worded offer, there would be a ton of posts by uncharitable, incensed, Catholics. They would be angry that this schismatic body would presume to invite them to join the real church.

I think if the shoe was on the other foot, we would see that there are just as many over-blown pompous jerk Catholics as overblown pompous jerk Anglicans.

[GKC]

Originally Posted by Bluegoat

I think if a group of discontented Catholics that don't like, say, the changes in the CC since the 1960s, were to approach the Orthodox Church, and the OC put forth a similarly worded offer, there would be a ton of posts by uncharitable, incensed, Catholics. They would be angry that this schismatic body would presume to invite them to join the real church.

I think if the shoe was on the other foot, we would see that there are just as many over-blown pompous jerk Catholics as overblown pompous jerk Anglicans.

No one has a monopoly on pomposity, yes.

GKC

[Newbie2]

Should we nickname angry Anglicans, "Angricans"

I thought I'd write something profound for my 4000th and last (at least for a while) post.

See y'all.

[agiosotheos]

Originally Posted by Bluegoat

I think if a group of discontented Catholics that don't like, say, the changes in the CC since the 1960s, were to approach the Orthodox Church, and the OC put forth a similarly worded offer, there would be a ton of posts by uncharitable, incensed, Catholics. They would be angry that this schismatic body would presume to invite them to join the real church.

I think if the shoe was on the other foot, we would see that there are just as many over-blown pompous jerk Catholics as overblown pompous jerk Anglicans.

I think that there is probably more, actually. I think they would get even more angry than the Anglicans in this situation.

[manualman]

Originally Posted by GKC

I no longer have access to an A-10, with GAU-8 30mm gun, and eleven hard points for ordanance, powered by two TF-34-100 engines, originally (in my day) rated for 9100 pounds thrust each.

Mmm hmm. And the Army thought Radar O'Reilly wouldn't have access to a Jeep back in the states too......
How big's your garage?

I had a college friend who worked on A-10s in a reserve unit. Those guys loved those things. He said the Air Force never wanted 'em because they weren't sexy fighters, but they were too good at tank killing to pass up. The Air Force, of course would rather kill tanks a $100,000+ Hellfire missle at a time than a few $300 rounds at a time. Typical.

[GKC]

Originally Posted by manualman

Mmm hmm. And the Army thought Radar O'Reilly wouldn't have access to a Jeep back in the states too......
How big's your garage?

I had a college friend who worked on A-10s in a reserve unit. Those guys loved those things. He said the Air Force never wanted 'em because they weren't sexy fighters, but they were too good at tank killing to pass up. The Air Force, of course would rather kill tanks a $100,000+ Hellfire missle at a time than a few $300 rounds at a time. Typical.

Not quite big enough, and it's full of boxed books right now.

Some in the AF didn't want them, true. Some did. It was not only a sexy issue, it was a roles and missions issue, for CAS. Eventually, the AF sort of liked the idea.

I'm pretty sure the 30mm rounds cost more than $300 per, but I don't have one of them, either. But I'm also pretty sure the AF doesn't fire Hellfires. Mavericks, maybe.

GKC

[BernadetteM]

I was just on a Catholic blog and although they didn't mention the Orthodox, many said they would be quite happy if the liberal Catholics became Anglican.

Everyones seems to assume what Catholics think about Catholics who leave the Church, but it doesn't appear to upset them from what I have read.

Of course there might be some who would be upset, but Catholics have been leaving the Church for protestant churches for years and also for the Orthodox Church.

Most Catholics would like to see a reunion with the Orthodox, I see this much more on the Catholic side than the Orthodox. Also I am not sure if the Orthodox who are so opposed in the US are converts from protestant churches or are born into the Orthodox Churches.

All the comments posted are just one person's opinion.

If unification between the Catholic Church and some of the Orthodox is to take place it will be in the hands of God, not us.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

[BernadetteM]

As an after thought, why is it that there is this much anger towards the Catholic Church and Anglicans who want to come into the Church, when there have been several former Anglican/Epicopal congregations and their priests who have entered into the Orthodox Church (the Western Rite)? It seems very hypocritical to find no fault with the Orthodox "stealing" the Anglicans, and no accusations against them, but if the Catholic Church offers the Anglicans what they ask for it is an evil gesture, not done out of love for fellow Christians but done for Rome's own agenda, which I would like to know what that agenda is.

It appears there are many people who are dishonest with themselves shown from these attitudes. Also it might just be that all these angry people are anti Catholic showing how much Christian love they have for their brothers and sisters in Christ.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

[Justy90]

Originally Posted by Newbie2

Should we nickname angry Anglicans, "Angricans"

I thought I'd write something profound for my 4000th and last (at least for a while) post.

See y'all.

Shall we then refer to Catholicism as Catholoschism as well? Names go both ways.

[thirdn6]

Originally Posted by Newbie2

Should we nickname angry Anglicans, "Angricans"

I thought I'd write something profound for my 4000th and last (at least for a while) post.

See y'all.

And here's their theme song...
(To the tune of "Where have all the flowers gone..."



Where have all the bishops gone, long time passing?
Where have all the bishops gone, long time ago?
Where have all the bishops gone?
RCs picked them everyone...
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn?

Where have all the priesthood gone, long time passing?
Where have all the priesthood gone, long time ago?
Where have all the priesthood gone?
Gone to RCs everyone...
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn?

Where have all the TAC's men gone, long time passing?
Where have all those TAC's men gone, long time ago?
Where have all those TAC's men gone?
Gone to RCs everyone...
Oh, when will we ever learn?
Oh, when will we ever learn?

(Cantuar)
Where have all my bishops gone, long time passing?
Where have all my bishops gone, long time ago?
Where have all my bishops gone?
Gone to RCs everyone...!
Oh, when will I ever learn...
Oh, when will I ever learn...

[anode]

good riddance...

to the TAC, of course

[Justy90]

Originally Posted by anode

good riddance...

to the TAC, of course

Are you kidding?? Pulease! You have obviously never been to or have even heard of the Anglican church in Africa and South America. You have no idea how strong the church is and how it is moving in these continents. If you had a mere inkling you wouldn't be making these smug and incorrect remarks.

[agiosotheos]

Originally Posted by BernadetteM

As an after thought, why is it that there is this much anger towards the Catholic Church and Anglicans who want to come into the Church, when there have been several former Anglican/Epicopal congregations and their priests who have entered into the Orthodox Church (the Western Rite)? It seems very hypocritical to find no fault with the Orthodox "stealing" the Anglicans, and no accusations against them, but if the Catholic Church offers the Anglicans what they ask for it is an evil gesture, not done out of love for fellow Christians but done for Rome's own agenda, which I would like to know what that agenda is.

It appears there are many people who are dishonest with themselves shown from these attitudes. Also it might just be that all these angry people are anti Catholic showing how much Christian love they have for their brothers and sisters in Christ.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

There is nowhere near as much "bad blood" between the EOC and AC.

[agiosotheos]

Originally Posted by BernadetteM

Most Catholics would like to see a reunion with the Orthodox, I see this much more on the Catholic side than the Orthodox. Also I am not sure if the Orthodox who are so opposed in the US are converts from protestant churches or are born into the Orthodox Churches.

Yes, there is much more desire on the Roman side of the dialogue for union.

It would be best not to generalize degrees of opposition according to these groups. One of the most anti-Roman persons within the EOC I have run across recently was a video of an interview with a Romanian Orthodox monk (being Old World he is much more likely to have been born into it).

[Bluegoat]

Originally Posted by BernadetteM

I was just on a Catholic blog and although they didn't mention the Orthodox, many said they would be quite happy if the liberal Catholics became Anglican.

Everyones seems to assume what Catholics think about Catholics who leave the Church, but it doesn't appear to upset them from what I have read.

Of course there might be some who would be upset, but Catholics have been leaving the Church for protestant churches for years and also for the Orthodox Church.

Most Catholics would like to see a reunion with the Orthodox, I see this much more on the Catholic side than the Orthodox. Also I am not sure if the Orthodox who are so opposed in the US are converts from protestant churches or are born into the Orthodox Churches.

All the comments posted are just one person's opinion.

If unification between the Catholic Church and some of the Orthodox is to take place it will be in the hands of God, not us.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

The point isn't that individual Catholics, and very occasionally even groups, have left in the past. That is also true of Anglicans. The difference here is that there is an invitation to accept a group, along with its liturgy, spiritual tradition, and even political structures, and make them a part of the "true Church." And at a time when there is serious division among Anglicans, and many are already afraid that their Church may be destroyed, a church they love. I think to those who feel anger, it seems either the Pope is taking advantage of their internal problems, rather like a handsome man who steps in to offer a woman in a failing marriage a way out, or they simply are annoyed to be told, "yes, we think you are good enough to be part f the True Church, but it will of course have to be on our terms.

And perhaps you don't really read those threads dealing with OC and CC relations, but they can become heated, and the Catholics get very worked up at times when OC members suggest that they are the True Church, and the Catholics are schismatics and outside the Church. Enough so that a whole forum dedicated to such discussions was removed from CAF because it couldn't be civil.