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Old Nov 5, '09, 6:50 pm
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Default Which 12 Apostles were married?

Which 12 Apostles were married?
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Old Nov 5, '09, 11:27 pm
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Different Church Fathers say different things, but generally the only know believed to be a virgin was St John. St Peter was married (and had a daughter some say), and so were St Andrew, St Bartholomew and St Matthew according to the 4th Century Father Epiphanius. According to St Papias in the late 1st century the Apostle Philip was married too and had daughters (as well as a deacon by the same name in the NT) Judas the betrayer my have been married, since Psalm 108 was applied to him and it speaks of a man orphaning his kids and widowing his wife. Lastly. St Jude the Apostl, was married, that is assuming he is the same Jude that is one of the "brethren of the Lord," since Hegesippus mentions Jude as having descendants.

St John the Apostle seems to be universally recognized as a lifelong virgin, and 2 sources said so was his brother St James. According to Epiphanius the other Apostle named St James was also a life long virgin.

We have no tradition that says St Thomas, St Mattias, St Simon the Zealot had wives, some of the Fathers like Tertullian assumed they were therefore eunuchs or continent.

St Paul before his conversion was certainly married, though he is an apostle in more of a general sense.

This book is where i got some of my sources: "Apostolic Origins of Priestly Celibacy"
By Christian Cochini http://books.google.com/books?id=Bc2...age&q=&f=false
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Old Nov 6, '09, 7:56 am
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St Paul before his conversion was certainly married, though he is an apostle in more of a general sense.

What do you base this on? Just curious. There are wildly varying views on this. BTW Papias is not a saint, right?

1.) Clement of Alexandria-- believes Paul was married, and even after his conversion he kept his wife, though possibly as sister.

2.) St. Ignatius of Antioch mentions all of the Apostles were married then mentions Paul and Peter specifically were married Apostles.

3.) Many other Church fathers, such as Tertullian, St. Jerome, St. Augustine say that Paul was NOT married. Jerome holds firm to the belief that John was celibate.
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Old Nov 6, '09, 4:16 pm
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Papias is a saint.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11457c.htm

He was a great oral historian who went around collecting whatever people remembered hearing as eyewitnesses from:

A) Jesus Himself

B) One of the Apostles.

He collected five volumes of these eyewitness accounts, but all we have left are fragments. He apparently even collected stuff from one of Philip's prophetic daughters, which is very very cool.

However, nobody ever claimed that the stuff he collected was inspired in the same way as the Gospel. It was just side reading, and his interpretations of what they said were sometimes weird; which is probably why the book eventually disappeared. It's sad. But the fragments are pretty easy to find on the Internet.

I like "Be good bankers" and the stuff about the new heavens and the new earth. I'd love it if we got a whole copy of Papias out of a library somewhere, or out of the Egyptian sands. But it's just interesting, not essential.
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Old Nov 6, '09, 5:40 pm
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D . . .

St Paul before his conversion was certainly married, though he is an apostle in more of a general sense. . . .
I find it difficult to reconcilethat with 1 Corinthans 7:1-8
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1 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote. It is well for a man not to touch a woman. 2 But because of the temptation to immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. 3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does; likewise the husband does not rule over his own body, but the wife does. 5* Do not refuse one another except perhaps by agreement for a season, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, lest Satan tempt you through lack of self-control. 6 I say this by way of concession, not of command. 7* I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own special gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. 8 To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do.
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I find it difficult to reconcilethat with 1 Corinthans 7:1-8
No it's not. All we know from 1 Cor is that Paul was not married at that time. He may or may not have been married previously (and e.g. widowed or divorced). So it's easy to reconcile.

There's not basis, on the other hand, to assume he was certainly married (though of course it's likely that most Jews did marry).
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Which 12 Apostles were married?
From the New Testament all we know is that Peter was married.
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Old Nov 7, '09, 1:59 pm
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I say St Paul was married before his conversion because 1 Cor 7 is about someone that lost a spouse and is now called to celibacy, and because the Pharisees generally required men to be married, in addition some of the Fathers say Paul was married.
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That's what I was thinking too, that St. Paul and most of the 12 Apostles were married. I am sure being single as a result of illness or some other premature death was rather common 2000 years ago.
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Old Nov 7, '09, 10:33 pm
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According to Jewish Tradition, there have been rabbis that were celibates for their studies.
Also in Jewish tradition some of Prophets were celibates like Elijah, Elisha, and maybe Jeremiah. Moses is said to have abstained from his wife after the ordination of the 70 elders. Celibacy was not always rejected in Judaism as it largely is today

For more see http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/talmud.htm
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Old Nov 8, '09, 2:21 am
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I say St Paul was married before his conversion because 1 Cor 7 is about someone that lost a spouse and is now called to celibacy, and because the Pharisees generally required men to be married, in addition some of the Fathers say Paul was married.
It is speculation how many, if any of the Apostles were married apart from Peter. Despite your mistaken interpretation about Paul, we only know for sure that Peter was married.

Also with regard to Peter we don't even know if he was still married or a widower when Jesus called him because Scripture only mentions his mother in law but does not say anything about his wife or children.
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Since bishops were sucessors to the apostles and in those times it was not forbidden for a preson to be a bishop and be married can anyone answer this--I've always wondered what the answer is--who was the last married bishop in the history of the Catholic Church?
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Since bishops were sucessors to the apostles and in those times it was not forbidden for a preson to be a bishop and be married can anyone answer this--I've always wondered what the answer is--who was the last married bishop in the history of the Catholic Church?
I'm having trouble finding a source I read before, I think it was on google books, but i remember they mentioned a bishop being married in around the 12 or 13th century. If a married man was ordained to bishop, he had to sent his wife to the convent, this is what Orthodox bishop do to this day, or the wife sometimes had the option to become a deaconess when available.
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