So, an open question

[anode]

So, an open question

How many of the frequent posters on these threads regarding the new Anglican offer from the RCC--are men? My impression is that, aside from Bernadette, most of the posters on the Anglican threads--are men. A number appear to have been folowing these issues closely and are active members of the dissident groups.

How many active members of ACNA, the Continuum and all the subgroups--are men?

How many men v. women split with the AC over women's ordination? How many over gay ordination?

In the average service, how many are men?

My suspicion is that women don't feel nearly as strongly about women's ordination as men (Rogaine vs. hairspray) --am I wrong?

I don't know about gay ordination. I am a neutral bystander, former ECUSA, but even I was somewhat dismayed by Robinson's ordination, and thought to myself--there will be trouble. There was. Was there a significant gender difference in the reaction over gay ordination?

Opinions? Impressions? I have no access to any objective information at all.

[GKC]

It is generally reckoned that I am a man, but that doesn't affect my counting skills, AFAIK. Judging from my Continuing parish, one of the earliest splits from ECUSA, way back in 1979 or so, It's about even. Families came, in the original break. Right now I would say that we have about as many single women as men.

Outside my parish, in my exposure to a few other similar parishes, I have found it, indeed, similar. No preponderance of either.

In my experience, doctrinal orthodoxy doesn't seem to depend on the number of X chromosomes.

GKC

Originally Posted by anode

So, an open question

How many of the frequent posters on these threads regarding the new Anglican offer from the RCC--are men? My impression is that, aside from Bernadette, most of the posters on the Anglican threads--are men. A number appear to have been folowing these issues closely and are active members of the dissident groups.

How many active members of ACNA, the Continuum and all the subgroups--are men?

How many men v. women split with the AC over women's ordination? How many over gay ordination?

In the average service, how many are men?

My suspicion is that women don't feel nearly as strongly about women's ordination as men (Rogaine vs. hairspray) --am I wrong?

I don't know about gay ordination. I am a neutral bystander, former ECUSA, but even I was somewhat dismayed by Robinson's ordination, and thought to myself--there will be trouble. There was. Was there a significant gender difference in the reaction over gay ordination?

Opinions? Impressions? I have no access to any objective information at all.

[olivet]

Seems about even to me also. WO is such a settled issue it's not even discussed, so I don't know how women vs. men feel about it. Looks like a failed experiment to me; royally failed.

[masuwerte]

To quote Red Green: "I'm a man. But I can change. If I have to. I guess."

[anode]

It's not a question of truth. It's how it is perceived. That is my question.

So far, it sounds as if the gender representation in the disaffected congregations is about equal.

Any other contributors?

Also, why "royally failed"? Why are women AC priests failures-other than driving away those who opposed WO in the first place? They appear to be successful ministers (note distinction from priests) in other denominations.

[GKC]

Originally Posted by anode

It's not a question of truth. It's how it is perceived. That is my question.

So far, it sounds as if the gender representation in the disaffected congregations is about equal.

Any other contributors?

Also, why "royally failed"? Why are women AC priests failures-other than driving away those who opposed WO in the first place? They appear to be successful ministers (note distinction from priests) in other denominations.

Because they are presented not as ministers solely, but as sacerdotal priests, in apostolic succession, capable of validly confecting sacraments, where such a personage is essential. They fail to meet these criteria.

OTOH, anyone who requires a minister, tout court, may apply to a female in a collar.

GKC

[7 Sorrows]

i am a woman and am opposed to women's ordination. when i was in the episcopal church, i attended a few churches that had women priests and it just didn't seem natural or right to me. i always thought that the priest more or less represents Christ.



i already converted to Catholicism and am somewhat dismayed to speak with a few Catholic women who support women's ordination.

[gurneyhalleck1]

Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows

i am a woman and am opposed to women's ordination. when i was in the episcopal church, i attended a few churches that had women priests and it just didn't seem natural or right to me. i always thought that the priest more or less represents Christ.



i already converted to Catholicism and am somewhat dismayed to speak with a few Catholic women who support women's ordination.

Well you're right on all counts, Sorrows! Priests must be in persona christi, standing in the place of Christ through which sacraments flow. A mother cannot be a father, 2,000 years of tradition show it's true, scripture shows it's true, common sense, and the fact that the only female priestesses until the 1970's came along were GNOSTIC heretics should tell us all something! Women's ordination is absolute heresy. No ifs ands or buts. And it is sad that there are always a few of "those" liberals at a Catholic parish that live in lala land with WO. I know a woman who is that way. She came up to me and said, the day Benedict was elected pope, "can you get over how they elected that German loser? What a piece of work he is!' Amazing! Some people just don't get the whole idea of divine inspiration, the Holy Spirit at the helm, and they are confounded and lost when things don't go their way. I just wonder why folks like that stay Catholic? Why don't they go to the Episcopal Church? From the way you've described it, your parish sounds pretty liberal. Mine isn't! It's more conservative than I am! LOL...maybe too much so! lol

[7 Sorrows]

Originally Posted by gurneyhalleck1

Well you're right on all counts, Sorrows! Priests must be in persona christi, standing in the place of Christ through which sacraments flow. A mother cannot be a father, 2,000 years of tradition show it's true, scripture shows it's true, common sense, and the fact that the only female priestesses until the 1970's came along were GNOSTIC heretics should tell us all something! Women's ordination is absolute heresy. No ifs ands or buts. And it is sad that there are always a few of "those" liberals at a Catholic parish that live in lala land with WO. I know a woman who is that way. She came up to me and said, the day Benedict was elected pope, "can you get over how they elected that German loser? What a piece of work he is!' Amazing! Some people just don't get the whole idea of divine inspiration, the Holy Spirit at the helm, and they are confounded and lost when things don't go their way. I just wonder why folks like that stay Catholic? Why don't they go to the Episcopal Church? From the way you've described it, your parish sounds pretty liberal. Mine isn't! It's more conservative than I am! LOL...maybe too much so! lol

i wish my parish was conservative. i can't believe that woman said that about Benedict XVI. like you said, maybe they should go to the episcopal church. they might be happier and be around like minded people.

[Joe Kelley]

Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows

i wish my parish was conservative. i can't believe that woman said that about Benedict XVI. like you said, maybe they should go to the episcopal church. they might be happier and be around like minded people.

Maybe, like the sports leagues, we can have an interfaith trading time to sort people out.

[Bluegoat]

Well, I am a woman, and I'm what you would consider a kind of classical Anglican. I am not particularly supportive of women's ordination.

The church I attend is not part of an alternate Anglican group, it is Anglican Church of Canada. But, it is the home of many conservative/classical Anglicans. You would find a much greater proportion of people who have issues with gay marriage, women priests, and many anglo-catholics. Also a lot of priests not attached to parishes and university types.

There are probably equal numbers of men and women in the congregation. However - in most Anglican churches, men are a distinct minority. So I am inclined to think that this approch is somehow addressing some general gender differences in how men and women approach their spiritual lives in a better way, whereas mainstream Anglicanism, and much of Christianity in NA at least, seems to be having difficulty.

[7 Sorrows]

Originally Posted by Bluegoat

Well, I am a woman, and I'm what you would consider a kind of classical Anglican. I am not particularly supportive of women's ordination.

The church I attend is not part of an alternate Anglican group, it is Anglican Church of Canada. But, it is the home of many conservative/classical Anglicans. You would find a much greater proportion of people who have issues with gay marriage, women priests, and many anglo-catholics. Also a lot of priests not attached to parishes and university types.

There are probably equal numbers of men and women in the congregation. However - in most Anglican churches, men are a distinct minority. So I am inclined to think that this approch is somehow addressing some general gender differences in how men and women approach their spiritual lives in a better way, whereas mainstream Anglicanism, and much of Christianity in NA at least, seems to be having difficulty.

as a former anglican, i like the term you use "classical anglican". if it had only remained that way.