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Old Nov 14, '09, 8:05 am
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Hello, here are the questions I have after reading the document:

1) What does it mean that "Each Ordinariate possesses public juridic personality by the law itself (ipso iure); it is juridically comparable to a diocese" (I. 1). What's this "juridic personality?

2) How is power "to be exercised joinly with that of the local Diocesan Bishop, in those cases provided for in the Complementary Norms" (V. c).

3) "Incardination of clerics will be regulated according to the norms of canon law" (VI. 3). Does this mean that after the initial conversion, there will be no more married men allowed into the Oridinariate's priesthood?

4) "The Governing Council, presided over by the Ordinary, is composed of at least six priests" (X. 2). Are "Governing Councils" also required for Dioceses, or just for Ordinariates?

I'm very sorry if I'm repeating questions. If so, I beg your pardon, and hope you will be patient with me.
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1) What does it mean that "Each Ordinariate possesses public juridic personality by the law itself (ipso iure); it is juridically comparable to a diocese" (I. 1). What's this "juridic personality?

2) How is power "to be exercised joinly with that of the local Diocesan Bishop, in those cases provided for in the Complementary Norms" (V. c).

3) "Incardination of clerics will be regulated according to the norms of canon law" (VI. 3). Does this mean that after the initial conversion, there will be no more married men allowed into the Oridinariate's priesthood?

4) "The Governing Council, presided over by the Ordinary, is composed of at least six priests" (X. 2). Are "Governing Councils" also required for Dioceses, or just for Ordinariates?
1. The juridic personality is basically that of a diocese. The rulings that a bishop can make for his diocese, the Ordinary may make for his ordinariate.

3. http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=395757 Here is another thread giving a news article for your question. I think there are one or two more threads on this topic, so scroll down and check out the titles on the main sub-forum page.

4. Dioceses do have priests in positions of authority, like Vicar General, Chancellor, Episcopal Vicar, Judicial Vicar, Director of Religious Education, and others.

Sorry, I'm not sure about number 2.
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The answer to No. 2 is addressed in Articles 3 and 9 of the Complementary Norms:

Article 3

The Ordinary, in the exercise of this office, must maintain close ties of communion with the Bishop of the Diocese in which the Ordinariate is present in order to coordinate its pastoral activity with the pastoral program of the Diocese.


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Article 9

§1. The clerics incardinated in the Ordinariate should be available to assist the Diocese in which they have a domicile or quasi-domicile, where it is deemed suitable for the pastoral care of the faithful. In such cases they are subject to the Diocesan Bishop in respect to that which pertains to the pastoral charge or office they receive.

§2. Where and when it is deemed suitable, clergy incardinated in a Diocese or in an Institute of Consecrated Life or a Society of Apostolic Life, with the written consent of their respective Diocesan Bishop or their Superior, can collaborate in the pastoral care of the Ordinariate. In such case they are subject to the Ordinary in respect to that which pertains to the pastoral charge or office they receive.

§3. In the cases treated in the preceding paragraphs there should be a written agreement between the Ordinary and the Diocesan Bishop or the Superior of the Institute of Consecrated Life or the Moderator of the Society of Apostolic Life, in which the terms of collaboration and all that pertains to the means of support are clearly established.


It is conceivable that different practices might arise in different dioceses, based on the desires of the respective ordinaries. Or, perhaps within each episcopal Conference, norms for that conference might be worked out in the Conference and agreed to by all of the diocesan and personal ordinaries.
 

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