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Old Nov 20, '09, 8:55 pm
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Default Has anyone ever heard this quote from William Buckley about the vernacular Mass replacing Latin? I thought it was hysterical!

"As a Catholic, I have abandoned hope for the liturgy, which, in the typical American church, is as ugly and as maladroit as if it had been composed by Robert Ingersoll and H.L. Mencken for the purpose of driving people away.

Incidentally, the modern liturgists are doing a remarkably good job, attendance at Catholic Mass on Sunday having dropped sharply in the 10 years since a few well-meaning cretins got hold of the power to vernacularize the Mass, and the money to scour the earth in search of the most unmusical men and women to preside over the translation.

The next liturgical ceremony conducted primarily for my benefit, since I have no plans to be beatified or remarried, will be my own funeral; and it is a source of great consolation to me that, at my funeral, I shall be quite dead, and will not need to listen to the accepted replacement for the noble old Latin liturgy. Meanwhile, I am practicing Yoga, so that, at church on Sundays, I can develop the power to tune out everything I hear, while attempting, athwart the general calisthenics, to commune with my Maker, and ask Him first to forgive me my own sins, and implore him, second, not to forgive the people who ruined the Mass.." --from "The Remmant" 1979
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Old Nov 20, '09, 9:14 pm
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Default Re: Has anyone ever heard this quote from William Buckley about the vernacular Mass replacing Latin? I thought it was hysterical!

I commend to you Buckley's NEARER MY GOD TO THEE, esp. chap. 6, "Disruptions and Achievments of Vatican II". Indeed, the whole book, for that matter.


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"As a Catholic, I have abandoned hope for the liturgy, which, in the typical American church, is as ugly and as maladroit as if it had been composed by Robert Ingersoll and H.L. Mencken for the purpose of driving people away.

Incidentally, the modern liturgists are doing a remarkably good job, attendance at Catholic Mass on Sunday having dropped sharply in the 10 years since a few well-meaning cretins got hold of the power to vernacularize the Mass, and the money to scour the earth in search of the most unmusical men and women to preside over the translation.

The next liturgical ceremony conducted primarily for my benefit, since I have no plans to be beatified or remarried, will be my own funeral; and it is a source of great consolation to me that, at my funeral, I shall be quite dead, and will not need to listen to the accepted replacement for the noble old Latin liturgy. Meanwhile, I am practicing Yoga, so that, at church on Sundays, I can develop the power to tune out everything I hear, while attempting, athwart the general calisthenics, to commune with my Maker, and ask Him first to forgive me my own sins, and implore him, second, not to forgive the people who ruined the Mass.." --from "The Remmant" 1979
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" Meanwhile, I am practicing Yoga, so that, at church on Sundays, I can develop the power to tune out everything I hear, while attempting, athwart the general calisthenics, to commune with my Maker, and ask Him first to forgive me my own sins, and implore him, second, not to forgive the people who ruined the Mass.." --from "The Remmant" 1979
Ooh boy. I can really relate to that!!
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Old Nov 20, '09, 10:05 pm
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Ooh boy. I can really relate to that!!
Me, too. I read this quote and laughed so hard I had tears! He NAILED IT! I have heard quotes from JRR Tokien's son talking about how furious his father was when Vatican II ruined the Latin Mass. Tokien would continue to respond in Latin at the Mass when the Priest presiding would be speaking in English throughout. "The peace of the Lord be with you!" "Et cum spiritu tuo!" lol...His son was mortified and humiliated. I thought it was cool! Buckley and Tolkien, what a ticket!
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Thank you!!

I need to read this frequently to maintain my equilibrium.

[Gee, I miss Bill.]
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[Gee, I miss Bill.]
Too true.

For me, Dear Bill was the first indicator that I got that there might actually be intelligent life on Earth after all.
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that is beautifull. finally someone courageous.



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"As a Catholic, I have abandoned hope for the liturgy, which, in the typical American church, is as ugly and as maladroit as if it had been composed by Robert Ingersoll and H.L. Mencken for the purpose of driving people away.

Incidentally, the modern liturgists are doing a remarkably good job, attendance at Catholic Mass on Sunday having dropped sharply in the 10 years since a few well-meaning cretins got hold of the power to vernacularize the Mass, and the money to scour the earth in search of the most unmusical men and women to preside over the translation.

The next liturgical ceremony conducted primarily for my benefit, since I have no plans to be beatified or remarried, will be my own funeral; and it is a source of great consolation to me that, at my funeral, I shall be quite dead, and will not need to listen to the accepted replacement for the noble old Latin liturgy. Meanwhile, I am practicing Yoga, so that, at church on Sundays, I can develop the power to tune out everything I hear, while attempting, athwart the general calisthenics, to commune with my Maker, and ask Him first to forgive me my own sins, and implore him, second, not to forgive the people who ruined the Mass.." --from "The Remmant" 1979
HYSTERICAL!!! I can just hear Buckly saying that.
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HYSTERICAL!!! I can just hear Buckly saying that.
Me, too! And I can visualize him saying it with those hilarious facial expressions where his eyes grew HUGE quickly when he emphasized something then they shrank back to regular size and his eyebrows went up and down with that droll quasi-British voice. Good stuff... The "Yoga" part had me really cracking up!
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\\As a Catholic, I have abandoned hope for the liturgy, which, in the typical American church, is as ugly and as maladroit as if it had been composed by Robert Ingersoll and H.L. Mencken for the purpose of driving people away.\\

Oh, this is untrue and unfair.

H. L. Mencken was a MUCH better English stylist than ICEL.
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Old Nov 22, '09, 10:56 am
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\\As a Catholic, I have abandoned hope for the liturgy, which, in the typical American church, is as ugly and as maladroit as if it had been composed by Robert Ingersoll and H.L. Mencken for the purpose of driving people away.\\

Oh, this is untrue and unfair.

H. L. Mencken was a MUCH better English stylist than ICEL.
Oh lighten up, basil! I think it's hilarious
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Old Nov 24, '09, 10:27 pm
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Yes, but it shows something of the complexity of the man that was Buckley in that in John Judis' biography of WFB which I read, WFB did not support the Catholic Church's stance on birth control for some time I believe.
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Who is William Buckley?
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Who is William Buckley?
Founder of "National Review" and author of "God & Man at Yale" and many other books.

http://www.nationalreview.com/

He was a prolific writer and devout sailor.
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Thank you fultonfish!
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