Anglican congregations coming into full communion

[Ignatius]

Does anyone know what Anglican/Episcopol congregations/parishes in the U.S. are likely to be coming into full comunion with the Catholic Church?

[Cracker Mom]

Originally Posted by Ignatius

Does anyone know what Anglican/Episcopol congregations/parishes in the U.S. are likely to be coming into full comunion with the Catholic Church?

Nope, but I hope there's one near us!

[BernadetteM]

Me too! Since the Anglican Use started here in Los Angeles it would be great to have several parishes somewhere near me. The parish I and many including our priest left when denied a parish in LA might be thinking about it, the parish is part of TAC now. Only they are far from where I live now.

I wish I knew some Episcopalians who want to be part of this, but now I only know Catholics.

It is all up to where our Lord wants us and we must trust in His will for us. I do miss the Anglican Use Mass, but I am happy as a Catholic in my Latin Rite parish.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

[shawnbm]

I live in South Florida and there are a number of Catholic priests in our area who left the Mother Church to marry and became priests in The Episcopal Church (my lifelong church). They claim to remain Catholic at heart, but fell in love and married. They still desired to be priests and they converted to TEC. One of them is famous/infamous (depending on one's point of view), Fr. Alberto Cutie of TV fame.

My question is this: does the personal ordianate sanctioned by the Vatican allow for these priest to automatically come back into the Catholic fold as priests with their congregations without going through what other Episcopal priests would have to go through before they could serve as catholic priests? Thank you.

[BernadetteM]

No if one was a Catholic priest and left to become a priest in TEC they cannot come back to the Catholic Church as a priest.

I can just imagine every priest who wanted to marry leaving the Catholic Church and joining TEC as a priest and then coming back. Why would the Church want them back. They did not take their original vows to the Church seriously and in my opinion would create more problems in the future as shown by their past actions.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

[Chatter163]

Cutie is finished as a Roman Catholic priest.

"§2. Those who have been previously ordained in the Catholic Churchand subsequently have become Anglicans, may not exercise sacred ministry in the Ordinariate. Anglican clergy who are in irregular marriage situations may not be accepted for Holy Orders in the Ordinariate."

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/co...etibus_en.html

[jordananglo]

Originally Posted by Ignatius

Does anyone know what Anglican/Episcopol congregations/parishes in the U.S. are likely to be coming into full comunion with the Catholic Church?

If anyone is interested in finding Catholic Anglicans in their area to start a new Anglican Catholic group, you should post a comment on Mr. Campbell's blog, The Anglo-Catholic:
http://www.theanglocatholic.com/2009...-of-anglicans/

He is considering hosting an "information portal, a communications hub, or a “clearinghouse” for regional information on emerging groups hoping to avail themselves of the provisions of the Apostolic Constitution. This might take the form of a discussion forum with subgroups for each locality in which there existed (or interest was expressed in founding) a Catholic Anglican community. For example, were an individual interested in establishing a group in Lynchburg, Virginia, this person could moderate a dedicated discussion group for this city and interested persons in the Lynchburg area could more readily connect with like-minded folks. A single portal for these regional discussion groups would simplify administration, reducing the duplication of work, fostering cooperation between groups, and facilitating contacts between interested clergy and laity. A single online resource would more readily connect inquirers with the nascent Catholic Anglican communities than myriad disparate sites....
To determine the initial level of interest, I am asking that anyone interested in the possibility of founding a new Catholic Anglican community (or coordinating the growth of an existing one) please signal that interest by either commenting on this post, or, if you would like to keep your identity confidential at this time (as may be the case with clergy active in jurisdictions not favorably disposed to the Apostolic Constitution), you may email me at ccampbell at threefishgroup dot com"

Please visit the site and submit a comment on the post listed above!

[Usbek de Perse]

Originally Posted by Ignatius

Does anyone know what Anglican/Episcopol congregations/parishes in the U.S. are likely to be coming into full comunion with the Catholic Church?

I would venture to say that there are none in the San Francisco region. The most avidly Anglo Catholic church, Church of the Advent, would not be a candidate, I am certain. Amazingly, Church of the Advent uses a Latin translation of the 1979 Book of Common Prayer at least once a month.

Across the street there is the Roman Catholic Church of the Nativity, which has most of its services in Polish!

Any Ordinariate church in the Bay Area would be likely comprised of renegades (or refugees) from various places.

[Rupertbear]

Here in England there is an Anglican organization called 'Forward in Faith' which has maintained traditionalist worship in the Church of England. I understand that it also exists in America (?). Some of these parishes will undoubtedly accept the Holy Father's offer. It is already being suggested here that most of that organization's clergy will form the new Ordinariates. Here in the Anglican Diocese of Chichester in southern England it is even being suggested that the Anglican bishop will 'go over' before too long. The Episcopal Church in the U.S. has always been far more 'liberal' than it's British equivalent, but there has been a steady drift of Anglicans crossing over since Pope John Paul's visit here in 1981. For myself, there were a number of reasons why I became a Catholic (from Anglicanism); women's ordination was only part of it. As our late Cardinal Basil Hume said: 'disapproval of the ordination of women is not a sufficient reason for seeking to become a Catholic'. The overwhelming issue is, and has always been, one of authority. Either the Holy Father is the successor to the Apostle Peter or he isn't. If he is - and most now accept that he is - then ultimate authority in the Church is vested in him. The first Christians accepted the primacy of Peter, and we can thank God that he sent us such a Pope as Benedict XVI, who is both a fearless defender of the Faith as well as both a scholar and a pastor of incredible compassion and understanding.

[GKC]

Forward in Faith also exists in America. My Continuing Anglican parish (not in communion with Canterbury) is a member.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus

Originally Posted by Rupertbear

Here in England there is an Anglican organization called 'Forward in Faith' which has maintained traditionalist worship in the Church of England. I understand that it also exists in America (?). Some of these parishes will undoubtedly accept the Holy Father's offer. It is already being suggested here that most of that organization's clergy will form the new Ordinariates. Here in the Anglican Diocese of Chichester in southern England it is even being suggested that the Anglican bishop will 'go over' before too long. The Episcopal Church in the U.S. has always been far more 'liberal' than it's British equivalent, but there has been a steady drift of Anglicans crossing over since Pope John Paul's visit here in 1981. For myself, there were a number of reasons why I became a Catholic (from Anglicanism); women's ordination was only part of it. As our late Cardinal Basil Hume said: 'disapproval of the ordination of women is not a sufficient reason for seeking to become a Catholic'. The overwhelming issue is, and has always been, one of authority. Either the Holy Father is the successor to the Apostle Peter or he isn't. If he is - and most now accept that he is - then ultimate authority in the Church is vested in him. The first Christians accepted the primacy of Peter, and we can thank God that he sent us such a Pope as Benedict XVI, who is both a fearless defender of the Faith as well as both a scholar and a pastor of incredible compassion and understanding.

[Ignatius]

Originally Posted by GKC

Forward in Faith also exists in America. My Continuing Anglican parish (not in communion with Canterbury) is a member.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus

Are Forward in Faith considering full communion?

[GKC]

Originally Posted by Ignatius

Are Forward in Faith considering full communion?

None that I am aware of, outside those FiF parishes that are in the TAC/ACA.

GKC

[Hesychios]

I sure would like to see some solid information on clergy or parishes making the move. It would be especially helpful for those solitary individuals who need to connect.

For instance, the Episcopal diocese of Chicago has about "125 congregations and fellowships" according to their own website (average membership of 328 per congregation). The TAC/ACA in the same area has (apparently) two congregations with a likely membership of around 100 - 110 people in total (based upon an average national membership of 52 persons per congregation).

If (not certain) both of the TAC parishes do decide to take up the offer to join an ordinariate, the TEC members who are also interested will need to be able to find them. Right now that is not easy, even with the web at one's fingertips.

If the ordinariate decides to organize new "magnet" parishes that information will need to be disseminated as well.

Prayers

[Rupertbear]

From reading the most interesting posts it seems that Anglicanorum Coetibus has made greater progress in the USA than it has so far here in Britain. It seemsw that there are whole Anglican parishes over there coming into full communion (??). Interestingly my wife is still an Anglican - of the 'Anglo-catholic' persuasion. I'd like to hear from other Catholics who are married to non-Catholics as to how they deal with the issues raised. It is never ideal worshipping in different churches, but I guess if both parties are understanding it does work. At the end of the day we must, I suppose, all continue to pray for unity. I have a number of non-Christian friends ands most of them feel that the biggest 'turn-off' about the church - any church - is that, as they put it, 'You Christians can't even get along with each other - how do you expect to make converts of others?' A simplistic view perhaps - but worth thinking and praying about...

[Chatter163]

A difference is that in the USA there was never the history of Anglo-Papalism that has always existed in England. The Episcopal Church had/has many Anglo-Catholic parishes, but never had more than a handful of Anglo-Papalist parishes. Anglo-Papalists are the ones most likely to take advantage of the recent document. In the USA today, it is more likely that Continuining Anglicans--and even only a handful of them are Anglo-Papalists-- will come over. OTOH, in England, there are only a handful of Continuing Anglican parishes, but many more historically Anglo-Papalist parishes in the Church of England who use the entire Roman Missal today. One might expect to see some greater conversions there. So in North America the Continuers are a more likely audience for AC, whereas in the UK I expect that those pilgrims would come more from the established church.

This is not to say that only Anglo-Papalists are likely converts; on the contrary, Anglo-Catholics in general will take pause at these developments. However, as those already sympathetic to Roman ways in general and to the papacy in particular, Anglo-Papalists are often considered the closest to the Tiber now. Then the other Anglo-Catholics fall in behind. A few broad churchmen come next, and probably not many evangelicals follow, as they usually are listed last in the Anglican spectrum of those likely to convert.