Battle for life in the health care bill continues

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-- Ben Nelson is beginning to be considered the 60th vote Senate Democrats need to stop a filibuster against the pro-abortion, government-run health care bill. His objection to the bill is over the massive abortion funding currently contained in it, and he is now examining a proposed compromise.The current Harry Reid health care bill paves the way for considerable taxpayer funding of potentially hundreds of thousands of abortions annually through the public option and affordability credits. Reid has a manager's amendment with changes to the bill that will be approved before the vote on the filibuster and bill itself are taken.Senator Nelson floated an amendment to remove the funding from the bill and, because it was defeated, he has said he would vote against the bill and for the filibuster unless changes are made to cut the abortion funding.Late Wednesday afternoon, Sen. Bob Casey, the Pennsylvania Democrat who is the only other Democratic senator to call himself pro-life, was working on a potential compromise to keep the other 59 members of the caucus supportive of the bill but pick up Nelson's vote.CNN indicates Nelson has seen the proposed language and that they "look better than what's in the bill," but he said he still has to review it and wants pro-life groups to examine the language before making a commitment."I don't know at this point in time. Constituency groups haven't responded back yet," Nelson added, according to APThe Associated Press indicated the "compromise" involves an attempt to separate private and public funds, but that is the current approach in the Senate bill modeled after the Capps amendment that pro-life groups and Nelson himself have rejected in the past. Full story at LifeNews.com

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God bless our efforts to end abortion

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-- Pro-life groups have spent most of Saturday morning furiously analyzing the Nelson-Reid compromise language on abortion funding in the Senate health care bill. Their conclusion is that the language undermines the amendments they wanted to ban abortion funding.The compromise language appears in the manager's amendment Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is offering to shore up the 60 votes he needs to overcome the filibuster against the pro-abortion health care bill.The language is not similar to the Stupak and Nelson amendments approved by the House and defeated in the Senate.Instead, Section 38 adds a provision allowing states to opt out of providing abortion coverage through the exchange and adds further layers of accounting requirements that pro-life groups are calling gimmicks to hide abortion funding.The result remains the same and, contrary to longstanding policy, the federal government will subsidize private health insurance plans that cover abortion.The manager's amendment also strikes the public option and replaces it with a program similar to the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) run by the Office of Personnel Management. However, unlike the FEHBP, the Director of OPM will contract with health insurance companies to provide insurance that includes abortion.The National Right to Life Committee informed LifeNews.com it strongly opposes the abortion language and complained that "Reid intends to press for Senate approval of the language during the days immediately ahead, without allowing an opportunity for any revisions to be considered.""The manager’s amendment is light years removed from the Stupak-Pitts Amendment that was approved by the House of Representatives on November 8 by a bipartisan vote of 240-194," NRLC legislative director Douglas Johnson told LifeNews.com. "The new abortion language solves none of the fundamental abortion-related problems with the Senate bill, and it actually creates some new abortion-related problems."

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Rep. Bart Stupak, the pro-life Michigan congressman who led the fight against the abortion funding in the House, says he doesn't approve of the new abortion funding compromise in the Senate. The Democrat made it clear he would work to defeat the proposal if it makes it to the House.Stupak, in an interview with Politico, called the deal Harry Reid and Ben Nelson struck on abortion funding "unacceptable."He joined pro-life groups in saying the compromise marked "a dramatic shift in federal policy,” by undermining the Hyde amendment that has prohibited taxpayer funding of abortions since the 1970s.Stupak also talked with Politico about a dustup that occurred Saturday morning, whereby one of his staffers sent out an email to pr-life Senate Republicans and pro-life organizations urging opposition to the Nelson amendment.Somehow, Political got ahold of the email and a response and used them to write an article on how Stupak was reportedly working behind the scenes with Senate Republican Leader and pro-life Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell to scuttle the pro-abortion health care bill in the Senate. “I never talked to McConnell about the health care bill,” said Stupak.However, Stupak will likely talk with his pro-life colleagues in the House about the Reid-Nelson language. He has repeatedly promised that if his authentic amendment to ban abortion funding is removed from the bill, he will oppose the health care bill.

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What I'm saying is that is not illegal to murder an infant in our country and in many country's around the world and that this is not right. People that have abortions are murdering a human being and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of law if they choose to murder, just as you may go to prison for murdering someone, who is not as helpless as a baby. No one should legally have the choice to murder someone and every child has the right to live. I believe that quote is what you were asking clarification about. I hope this helps you understand! God Bless you

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I have actually talked to young teenagers out of having an abortion.I've also spoke in junior high schools about the subject as well. And to the person who said god will ask me these questions I'd like to point out that there are many options for a woman who is pregnant and doesn't want her baby, murdering your child should never be an option.adoption, boarding houses, abstaining from sex to prevent an unwanted pregnancy, so on and so forth. There are a lot of people who cannot have children and would love a child. God will be pleased I fight for life and not death. I'm confident in that. And to answer the question if I would raise a child to save it from abortion. I most certainly would. If a woman told me she would give me her baby instead of murder it with abortion. I would gladly raise love and care for that child like my own. My own three children would love to have another sibling. And to the comment about Catholic views. I am a converted catholic. I converted 5 years ago. I don't push my beliefs of catholism on anyone. I was prolife long before I was Catholic and many of my friends who are not catholic support and agree with my views that we should fight for life and end abortion. I hope this helps... I look forward to sharing my thoughts on the issue with you further.

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You don't physically prevent a girl from having an abortion just make it illegal and make consequences for not following these rules. I would never promote murdering anyone, doctors nurses or anyone. There are organizations such as rachels vineyard to help those affected by abortion to help them live with there decisions. I believe everyone makes mistakes. Its human nature. God will be pleased I choose promote and voice life. God bless you!

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to those contemplating abortion, implore them to first research abortion, see what it is, talk to people who have had abortions and now regret it including the famous Roe vs Wade case. She deeply regrets her abortion now and is prolife. Any woman who is pregnant and can feel a baby moving inside of her kicking and mimicking breathing, getting the hiccups. They can truely without a doubt tell the world that the baby inside of them is alive and not just a mass of flesh as I've heard some call it. Children suck amniotic fluid in the womb. So I ask you John when is the first breath? Those who haveresearched and seen what abortion really is could never truely be pro choice again. The veil is then lifted. Thanks for saying Joe Lieberman is the deciding vote I will write to him as well. And the comment about white republicans.... I'm only 25 wasn't around or able to vote when those people were in office! And I voted for Obama because I believed that America needed a more cultured system. However I was uninformed of his policies, would I have known what I know now, I never would have voted for him. Hope this helps.

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I did not state the president should council these women. I think he should make abortion illegal and make CONSEQUENCES for disobeying this law, I believe we should not fund abortion clinics. If women would stop trying to murder innocent children they wouldn't have to worry about mutilating there body as you stated. As for the girls who are ridiculed as you say, they should not have sex if they do not understand that a baby can come from this. You shouldn't be able to murder your child just because it may be hard for you, once its born. I myself was a teen mother with an unexpected pregnancy. I can't imagion not having my beautiful daughter, and yes it was hard and I was ridiculed and family members looked down on me for it but even though the farher begged me to abort my daughter I refused and my 7 1/2 year old daughter is a intelligent, beautiful girl that I could never imagion my life without. I tell you in the hopes that you see. There's no reason that a women should choose abortion. Abortion is murder.

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Mr John I'm afraid the only thing to do is to agree to disagree. I don't share your feelings or views on the subject, and I will continue to fight for the lives of the unborn. God bless, ill be praying for you

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Originally Posted by JReducation

The bishops and major superiors of men have already said that if the abortion funding is not taken out of the bill and the conscience clause is not included, they will "virgorously" pursue to oppose the entire bill. They have have also said that they will demand that Catholics take action to stop the the bill.

I believe that now they are angry. They have been lied to right to their faces. The President said that the bill did not include funding for abortion and that he would rework the conscience clause, not eliminate it. Neither has happened. In an interview, Cardinal George has said that the bishops cannot run government and do not claim to know how to govern. But they will guide the laity involved in government by providing the moral compass. He was also very strong on pointing out that the role of putting preasure on government is a lay role. Civil government is a lay ministry.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

I found this on the bishop forum of Catholic Answers. I believe it is well written in describing the Catholic perspective on the health care bill Mr. John. I'm curious Mr. John as to why your profile says you are Catholic but you oppose every Catholic view. If there are any like minded Catholics that could help Mr John, please help.

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If you do not believe the catholic doctrine should be applied to every aspect of life then where should it be applied? I believe we need a common "rule of the land" so to speak. I agree with catholic dogma. Every sin committed tears us farther away from god. Look at the divorce rate ect. But that's completly off topic if abortion witch this forum is about prolife....

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It would be sad to stop trying to fight for innocent children just because we might not win!!! I for one will not stop fighting until the sanctity of life is protected around the world. Did u watch the trailer r2d2 found I think its under prolife documentary. The video is called blood money. Please go watch this trailer. God Bless you! The 4d ultrasound is precious!

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Senator: Pro-Abortion Democrats Will Dominate Health Care Conference CommitteeWashington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Senator Charles Grassley is confirming the expectation that the conference committee that will meet to reconcile the differences in the congressional health care bills will be dominated by abortion advocates. If so, the Senate language funding abortions may emerge in the final legislation.With the House and Senate approving divergent bills, a conference committee must meet to hammer out the final measure for each chamber to vote on before it can go to President Barack Obama.The Senate measure current funds abortions and paves the way for forcing insurance companies to pay for abortions while the House measure has the Stupak amendment banning abortion funding.Grassley said Wednesday during a press conference that Democrats named to the committee will likely "huddle secretly" in order to get the legislation written the way they want."I think that this will be one of those instances where, following along on the stimulus bill of last February, I will be a conferee but Democrats will huddle secretly and come to the conclusion of what they want to do and then announce it and, you know, it's a take it or leave it," he said, according to The Hill. "It will pretty much be partisan in conference," he added. Full story at LifeNews.com