Holy Catholic Charismatic Church

Nowhere Man · #1 Feb 12, '10, 2:23 am

Has anyone heard of them? And if you have, do you know their canonical standing? It would seem to me that they would be excommunicated, but I'm not sure.

Here's their website:

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japhy · #2 Feb 12, '10, 4:59 am

I really don't understand the need for all these valid but disobedient Churches. "We honor and obey the Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, regarding all doctrinal and dogmatic issues, with the one exception of allowing our priests and bishops to marry if so called" say the HCCC. That's quite a novelty. Even the Orthodox Churches do not permit the already-ordained to be married.

And their domain is hosted by GoDaddy. Poor choice, that.

SunnaB16 · #3 Feb 12, '10, 5:33 am

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Originally Posted by Nowhere Man

Has anyone heard of them? And if you have, do you know their canonical standing? It would seem to me that they would be excommunicated, but I'm not sure.

No: it`s the first i`ve heard of it

It`s a breakaway group, so there`s no way it could be in union with Rome. About 20% of the way down on the RHS, it says about praying "that the day will come when the Roman Catholic Church will assume us as a holiness rite into her own sacred body.". Wishful thinking.

The proof of Apostolic succession of their bishops mentions the "Old Catholics" (as well as Orthodox). The "Old Catholics" group was formed by dissenters who broke away from the Church because they refused to accept her teaching re papal infallibility at the First Vatican Council 1869-70. So Apostolic succession is there, all right, but it`s still just another breakaway group among many.

PS
japhy:
The bit about allowing priests and bishops to marry might be a lure to rope in enough clergy.

Orchanian · #4 Feb 12, '10, 6:43 am

Whenever a group says they are in union with the Holy Father except for..., there's a problem. That's exactly how the Protestant Reformation happened. People decided to be their own pope, to determine which teachings were worth following and which were not. We certainly need to understand the teachings of the Church, and then we need to obey. We can't pick and choose what is easiest to follow. If this group decides that priests can marry, why couldn't another decided that priests can be practicing homosexuals, or have adulterous relationships, or decide that followers can use contraception or have abortions without concern for offending God? It's a slippery slope. The Pope isn't setting down rules to make it difficult for us to please God. He is simply trying to guide us in the right path so that we can be holy. He doesn't want us to take the attitude of "that's good enough," because that doesn't reflect a complete love for God over all else. So, we should reject groups that pick and choose what they will believe. Either we follow the Pope as the Vicar of Christ or we don't . It's all or nothing.

Nowhere Man · #5 Feb 12, '10, 10:30 am

Ok thank you, that's what I thought.

OnceLostSoul · #6 Feb 21, '10, 10:46 am

Hey guys!

What evidence is there of the existence of a church group known as the Holy Catholic Charismatic Church?

How certain are you that this is not a silly joke?

Or a straw man set up to be bashed down by those who hate or mis-understand the charismatics?

scottj · #7 Feb 21, '10, 10:53 am

I was oncew taken to a Catholic Charismatic Church once in Houston, I don't know if that is the same or not. I was told by members there that is was indeed legit and part of the Catholic Church.... although I don't know if that is correct or not. Would love some confirmation as well.
Thanks!

Monica4316 · #8 Feb 21, '10, 2:03 pm

I think whenever a church is called "Catholic Charismatic Church", or something along those lines, it's usually not in communion with Rome... valid Catholic churches are usually just called "Catholic" or "Roman Catholic" (or Byzantine Catholic, etc) churches.... without any addition to the name. (even if they have a charismatic prayer group etc!)

yellowantphil · #9 Feb 21, '10, 4:23 pm

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Originally Posted by scottj

I was oncew taken to a Catholic Charismatic Church once in Houston, I don't know if that is the same or not. I was told by members there that is was indeed legit and part of the Catholic Church.... although I don't know if that is correct or not. Would love some confirmation as well.
Thanks!

On the website for the archdiocese of Gavelston-Houston, one of the parishes listed is called the Catholic Charismatic Center. I've never been there, but I assume that since the diocese acknowledges them, that they're in full communion with the Catholic Church.

SunnaB16 · #10 Feb 22, '10, 3:03 am

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Originally Posted by yellowantphil

On the website for the archdiocese of Gavelston-Houston, one of the parishes listed is called the Catholic Charismatic Center. I've never been there, but I assume that since the diocese acknowledges them, that they're in full communion with the Catholic Church.

"Catholic Charismatic Centre" would be referring to a place for (Roman) Catholics who are also Charismatics.
"Holy Catholic Charismatic Church" refers to an entire sect. Its name is misleading, as you`ve discovered.

Scott
Its claim of Apostolic Succession is legitimate, but it`s certainly NOT in union with Rome. Its website even admits that......in a very low key way.
Ref: Post #3 as well.

SANxJONERO · #11 Feb 25, '10, 11:24 pm

I've heard of this church & they've supposedly been around for a long time, so it doesn't sound like a joke. I believe someone has also said that a lot of them believe to have the gift of tongues, just like another church I've brought up on this forum.

japscarousel · #12 Feb 26, '10, 4:09 am

It's my first time to hear that church. I can't understand why they need to create a new church, in communion with the pope?

And I think they're from the Philippines!!! I looked at their photos, and I recognized their faces and the environment.

PS: I think their "in communion with Rome" is a stunt to attract members. In the Philippines, majority of the Catholics are not aware of the different rites of the Church.

Angelic Rose · #13 Feb 26, '10, 4:20 am

They are NOT a part of the Catholic Church.

From their site:

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TRULY CATHOLIC

On June 16, 2000, Pope John Paul II, issued a Pastoral Letter entitled “Dominus Jesus” which reads: “...The Churches which, while not in perfect communion with the (Roman) Catholic Church, remain united to her by means of the closest bonds, that is, by Apostolic Succession, and a valid Eucharist, are true particular Churches.”

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI)

Not an Independent Church

Rather than making a claim of independence, we are a child of Holy Mother Church humbly seeking adoption in order to contribute to her all that we can.

http://stjamestheelderseminary.org/HOLY_CHURCH.html

So they admit they are not in perfect communion and should be avoided by Catholics who are in full communion with the Church.

I am aware of a charismatic movement within the Church and that is completely different--- I think we all need to be very careful and do research before we decide to attend a "church" that says they're apart of the Catholic Church.

Milliardo · #14 Feb 26, '10, 3:44 pm

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Originally Posted by japscarousel

It's my first time to hear that church. I can't understand why they need to create a new church, in communion with the pope?

And I think they're from the Philippines!!! I looked at their photos, and I recognized their faces and the environment.

PS: I think their "in communion with Rome" is a stunt to attract members. In the Philippines, majority of the Catholics are not aware of the different rites of the Church.

It does look like majority of their members come from the Philippines, based on the photos. I don't know if this originated in the Philippines (haven't read much of their website yet). Many Filipinos are what you might term as uncatechised Catholics: they were baptized as Catholics but lack catechism. They easily fall into cults and quasi-Catholic groups like this.

Just to add: they have a strange looking "Nicene Orthodox" bishop who sure doesn't dress like any Orthodox bishop I know...

SANxJONERO · #15 Feb 26, '10, 4:52 pm

I think I might've got Charismatic renewal confused w/CCC, but looks like it's a real church. I would be fine w/Priests marrying, but the RCC doesn't allow that at this time. It's no doubt being a RCC priest should mean you are real serious about living for Christ, but I wonder about some of them. I mean I wonder if the priests who were found out to be child molesters had a sick perversion like that before becoming a priest & thought becoming a priest would be a good way to hide their sickness, or if they just became too weak over time.