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Old Apr 10, '10, 1:43 pm
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Default Divine Intervention; Does God ever have a plan for us?

A few years ago, I left my "Catholic" high school and went to a public school. In my time in the Catholic school, I was bullied a lot, had no friends, and I did terribly in virtually every course. When I got into public school, no one bullied me, I made lots of friends, and I excelled in all my courses. I'm finishing my fifth year of high school and I'm going to university this fall (I even got a scholarship offer). Many people have said to me that God did not want me at this faux Catholic school and it was divine intervention that I left and ended doing well. Someone suggested that this happened to me because God has formulated a plan for me. My question is, does God ever actually have a plan for us? It's confusing considering God does not mess with free will. While we're on the subject, could someone also explain how divine intervention works and why I managed to be okay in the end but others in my former position will not turn out alright?
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Old Apr 10, '10, 4:51 pm
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All individuals have the gift of choice. Our choices determine how our lives turn out. The God of the Bible, the true God,has revealed to us what is required to live in harmony with Him. Recognizing his Son, Jesus Christ as the only one through whom we can approach God the Father and as the only means of salvation, is one of these requirements. As we learn other requirements and apply them, then our choices can be directed by Him. To the degree that we are obedient, to that degree are we guided by the Holy Spirit.
I would not say that God has an individual plan for us, but He can use us in whatever way He chooses if we allow Him to guide us. I am happy that your choice of schools turned out well for you but you have to be careful to continue seeking God's guidance and remaining faithful to him.

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Old Apr 10, '10, 8:48 pm
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Default Re: Divine Intervention; Does God ever have a plan for us?

God orders everything for our own good, good being defined as helping us on the path of salvation. Here is a famous text from an Orthodox saint that speaks to this. St Seraphim teaches us that even when we are in bad or uncomfortable circumstances that all of it is sent by God for our ultimate benefit.


Saint Seraphim of Viritsa's Spiritual Testament
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Have you ever thought that everything that touches you touches Me as well? For that which touches you touches the apple of My eye.

You are dear in my eyes, precious, and I have loved you; therefore it is a particular pleasure for Me to educate you.

When temptations arise against you, and the enemy comes like a river, I want you to know—This was from Me.

Your weakness needs My strength, and your safety comes from giving Me the opportunity to fight for you. If you find yourself in difficult circumstances, among people who do not understand you, who do not take what you like into consideration, who alienate you—This was from Me.

I am God, Who arranges circumstances. It was no accident that you find yourself in the place where you are; this is the place I have appointed for you. Did you not ask that I teach you humility? Well, then, look: I have placed you in precisely that place, in that school, where this lesson is learned. Your surroundings and those who live with you are only fulfilling My will. If you find yourself in financial difficulty, if you find it hard to make ends meet—This was from Me.

For I have your material means at my disposal. I want you to call unto me, for you to be dependant upon Me. My reserves are inexhaustible. I want you to be confirmed in fidelity to Me and to My promises. May it not be said to you in your need: You did not believe in the Lord your God.

Are you in a night of suffering? Are you separated from your loved ones and those close to your heart? This was from Me.

I am the Man of suffering, Who has tasted affliction. I have allowed this so that you would turn to Me, so that in Me you would find eternal comfort. If you have been let down by your friend, to someone to whom you opened your heart—This was from Me.

I allowed this disappointment to touch you so that you would know that your best friend is the Lord. I want you to bring everything to Me and to speak to Me.

Has someone slandered you? Give this to me, and bring your soul closer to Me, your Refuge, to hide from the contradiction of the nations. I shall bring forth your righteousness as the light, and your judgment as the noonday. If your plans have been destroyed, if you are downtrodden in soul and tired—This was from Me.

You made plans, and brought them to Me, so that I would bless them. But I want you to leave Me in charge of the circumstances of your life, and then responsibility for everything will be Mine, for this is too difficult for you; by yourself you can not manage them, for you are only an instrument, and not the actor. If unanticipated problems of life have visited you, and if despondency has seized your heart, then know—This was from Me.

For I want your heart and your soul to be always aflame before My eyes; to conquer faint-heartedness of the soul in My name. If you do not hear from your dear ones and friends for a long time, and in your faint-heartedness fall into despondency and grumbling, know—This was from Me.

By this anguish in your spirit, I test the strength of your faith in the surity of My promise and the strength of your boldness in prayer for these dear ones of yours. Was it not you who entrusted them to the Protection of My All-Pure Mother? Was it not you who once entrusted their care to My providential love? If serious illness, either temporary or incurable, has visited you, and has confined to your bed, then know—This was from Me.

For I want you to know Me even more deeply in you bodily infirmities, so that you would not grumble over this trial sent to you, that you would not try to penetrate My plans through different means for the salvation of peoples souls, but that you would uncomplainingly and submissively bow you neck under My goodness towards you. If you have dreamed of performing some special deed for Me, and instead haven fallen onto a bed of sickness and weakness—This was from Me.

Then you would have been immersed in your activities, and I would not have been able to attract your thoughts to Me, for I want to teach you My deepest thoughts and lessons, so that you would be in My service. I want to teach you to recognize that you are nothing. Some of My best co-workers are those who have been cut off from vital activity, that they would learn to wield the weapon of unceasing prayer.

Have you unexpectedly been called to occupy a difficult and responsible position? Go, place it on Me. I entrust these difficulties to you so that the Lord God would bless you for this in all your deeds, on all your paths, in everything that will done by your hands. On this day I put into your hands a vessel of holy oil. Use it generously, My children! Every difficulty that arises, every word that insults you, every obstacle to your work that could elicit in you a feeling of annoyance, every revelation of your weakness and inability, shall be anointed with this oil.

Remember that every obstacle is a Divine instruction. Every sting will be dulled when you learn to see Me in everything that touches you. Therefore place the word I have declared to you today in your heart: This was from Me. For this is not an empty matter for you—this is your life.
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Old Apr 10, '10, 9:40 pm
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A few years ago, I left my "Catholic" high school and went to a public school. In my time in the Catholic school, I was bullied a lot, had no friends, and I did terribly in virtually every course. When I got into public school, no one bullied me, I made lots of friends, and I excelled in all my courses. I'm finishing my fifth year of high school and I'm going to university this fall (I even got a scholarship offer). Many people have said to me that God did not want me at this faux Catholic school and it was divine intervention that I left and ended doing well. Someone suggested that this happened to me because God has formulated a plan for me. My question is, does God ever actually have a plan for us? It's confusing considering God does not mess with free will. While we're on the subject, could someone also explain how divine intervention works and why I managed to be okay in the end but others in my former position will not turn out alright?
I think God does have a plan for us personally. I think you are right where God wants you.
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Old Apr 12, '10, 7:02 am
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Dear hellopeople,
You wrote; "I think God does have a plan for us personally. I think you are right where God wants you to be"

Is this true for everyone? The drug addict, the murderer, the oppressor of the poor, the ones guilty of genocide, the abortionists etc etc etc??
My idea is, God is in control of the universe and so nothing happens to us unless He allows it. Any situation we are in, we have choices to make. We are not robots and programmed to react in any particular way. When we make a choice that is in keeping with His commands and out of love for God and man, then that is always what God wants.
When our decisions are selfish and not spiritually motivated, we can't say that where we end up as a result of that decision is where God wants us to be.

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Old Apr 12, '10, 8:38 am
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A few years ago, I left my "Catholic" high school and went to a public school. In my time in the Catholic school, I was bullied a lot, had no friends, and I did terribly in virtually every course. When I got into public school, no one bullied me, I made lots of friends, and I excelled in all my courses. I'm finishing my fifth year of high school and I'm going to university this fall (I even got a scholarship offer). Many people have said to me that God did not want me at this faux Catholic school and it was divine intervention that I left and ended doing well. Someone suggested that this happened to me because God has formulated a plan for me. My question is, does God ever actually have a plan for us? It's confusing considering God does not mess with free will. While we're on the subject, could someone also explain how divine intervention works and why I managed to be okay in the end but others in my former position will not turn out alright?
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Nothing happens in the the universe without God willing and allowing it. This statement must he taken absolutely of everything with the exception of sin. 'Nothing occurs by chance in the whole course of our lives' is the unanimous teaching of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church, 'and God intervenes everywhere.'
Whether everything is right with the world, or you are surrounded by desolation and affliction, everything is as God wills it, and everything is as God wishes it. So yes, God does have a plan for you, me, and everyone else, and the degree of our happiness and glory is determined by the extent to which we submit to that plan and surrender ourselves to his most holy will ... even if it entails evil and suffering. Congratz on the positive turn of events for you though
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Old Apr 13, '10, 4:52 pm
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Just about ten years ago we had just completed the adoption of our son from Ukraine. I still wanted a daughter and we talked about going back to Ukraine. However our facilitator told us that it would not work as the women at the adoption center did not like us, which we already knew. I cried myself to sleep and the last thing I remember is saying, "Oh well, they say when God closes a door he opens a window".

A few days later I discovered a Yahoo group for people adopting independently from Russia (without an agency which is how we did the Ukrainian adoption). I wrote a letter introducing myself and giving my back ground. The next day a woman on the list contacted me privately that her facilitator knew of a little girl just turning one who would be available for adoption, and how soon could I travel to St. Petersburg. I was in Russia within two weeks.

A few months later we traveled back to Russia to adopt our daughter. Our helper for the American Embassy, a Russian by birth, looked like someone my husband had met in the states. He asked her if she'd ever been there but she said no. He told her, "Well, you never know where you're going to meet people". At the airport on our way out of Moscow the people behind us in line, Americans, commented on our daughter's pretty blue eyes. We got to talking. Where are you from they said. We told them Ohio, but we were from the San Francisco Bay Area. They said they lived in LA but were from the area. What town? We told them. "That's where we grew up!" they said. To cut a long story shorter, my husband had been their paperboy! So I know God's hand was on the entire adoption experience.
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